linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 01/10] pinctrl: generic: Add bi-directional and output-enable

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Date:   Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:09:49 +0200
From:   Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
To:     Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>
Cc:     Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@...il.com>,
        Jacopo Mondi <jacopo+renesas@...ndi.org>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@...der.be>,
        Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>,
        Chris Brandt <chris.brandt@...esas.com>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
        Linux-Renesas <linux-renesas-soc@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-gpio@...r.kernel.org" <linux-gpio@...r.kernel.org>,
        devicetree <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 01/10] pinctrl: generic: Add bi-directional and output-enable

Hi Linus,

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Linus Walleij
<linus.walleij@...aro.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Andy Shevchenko
> <andy.shevchenko@...il.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Jacopo Mondi
>> <jacopo+renesas@...ndi.org> wrote:
>>> Add bi-directional and output-enable pin configuration properties.
>>>
>>> bi-directional allows to specify when a pin shall operate in input and
>>> output mode at the same time. This is particularly useful in platforms
>>> where input and output buffers have to be manually enabled.
>>>
>>> output-enable is just syntactic sugar to specify that a pin shall
>>> operate in output mode, ignoring the provided argument.
>>> This pairs with input-enable pin configuration option.
>>
>> For me it looks like you are trying to alias open-drain + bias or
>> alike. Don't actually see the benefit of it.
>
> Andy is bringing up a valid point. And I remember asking about
> this before.
>
> What does "bi-directional" really mean, electrically speaking?
>
> Does is just mean open drain and/or open source actually?
> (See Documentation/gpio/driver.txt for an explanation of
> how open drain/source works.)
>
> When you set an output without setting a value, what happens
> electrically?
>
> Isn't this bias-high-impedance / High-Z?
>
> Hopefully you can find the answer from Renesas hardware dept.
>
> You can certainly call it whatever the datasheet calls it
> in your driver #defines but for the DT bindings we would
> ideally have the physical world things.

FWIW, you have already applied v4.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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