linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 0/7] Introduce ZONE

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Tue, 2 May 2017 16:41:55 +0300
From:   Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@...wei.com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
CC:     Joonsoo Kim <js1304@...il.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>,
        Laura Abbott <lauraa@...eaurora.org>,
        "Minchan Kim" <minchan@...nel.org>,
        Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>,
        "Michal Nazarewicz" <mina86@...a86.com>,
        "Aneesh Kumar K . V" <aneesh.kumar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
        "Will Deacon" <will.deacon@....com>, <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <kernel-team@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/7] Introduce ZONE_CMA

On 02/05/17 16:03, Michal Hocko wrote:

> I can imagine that we could make ZONE_CMA configurable in a way that
> only very well defined use cases would be supported so that we can save
> page flags space. But this alone sounds like a maintainability nightmare
> to me. Especially when I consider ZONE_DMA situation. There is simply
> not an easy way to find out whether my HW really needs DMA zone or
> not. Most probably not but it still is configured and hidden behind
> config ZONE_DMA
>         bool "DMA memory allocation support" if EXPERT
>         default y
>         help
>           DMA memory allocation support allows devices with less than 32-bit
>           addressing to allocate within the first 16MB of address space.
>           Disable if no such devices will be used.
> 
>           If unsure, say Y.
> 
> Are we really ready to add another thing like that? How are distribution
> kernels going to handle that?

In practice there are 2 quite opposite scenarios:

- distros that try to cater to (almost) everyone and are constrained in
what they can leave out

- ad-hoc builds (like Android, but also IoT) where the HW is *very* well
known upfront, because it's probably even impossible to make any change
that doesn't involved a rework station.

So maybe the answer is to not have only EXPERT, but rather DISTRO/CUSTOM
with the implications these can bring.

A generic build would assume to be a DISTRO type, but something else, of
more embedded persuasion, could do otherwise.

ZONE_DMA / ZONE_DMA32 actually seem to be perfect candidates for being
replaced by something else, when unused, as I proposed on Friday:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=149337033630993&w=2


It might still be that only some cases would be upstreamable, even after
these changes.

But at least some of those might be useful also for non-Android/ non-IoT
scenarios.


---
igor