linux-kernel - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode

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Message-ID: <20170509065619.wmqa6z6w3n6xpvrw@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 9 May 2017 08:56:19 +0200
From:   Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:     Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:     Daniel Micay <danielmicay@...il.com>,
        Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...gle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address
 limit before returning to user-mode


* Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:

> > There's the option of using GCC plugins now that the infrastructure was 
> > upstreamed from grsecurity. It can be used as part of the regular build 
> > process and as long as the analysis is pretty simple it shouldn't hurt compile 
> > time much.
> 
> Well, and that the situation may arise due to memory corruption, not from 
> poorly-matched set_fs() calls, which static analysis won't help solve. We need 
> to catch this bad kernel state because it is a very bad state to run in.

If memory corruption corrupted the task state into having addr_limit set to 
KERNEL_DS then there's already a fair chance that it's game over: it could also 
have set *uid to 0, or changed a sensitive PF_ flag, or a number of other 
things...

Furthermore, think about it: there's literally an infinite amount of corrupted 
task states that could be a security problem and that could be checked after every 
system call. Do we want to check every one of them?

Thanks,

	Ingo