Message-ID: <20170510062121.GB1966@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain>
Date:   Wed, 10 May 2017 15:21:21 +0900
From:   Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@...il.com>
To:     Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc:     sergey.senozhatsky@...il.com, sergey.senozhatsky.work@...il.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...hat.com,
        peterz@...radead.org, pmladek@...e.com, rostedt@...dmis.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: Add best-effort printk() buffering.

On (05/09/17 20:41), Tetsuo Handa wrote:
[..]
> > what I meant was -- "can we sleep under printk_buffered_begin() or not".
> > printk-safe disables local IRQs. so what I propose is something like this
> > 
> > 	printk-safe-enter    //disable local IRQs, use per-CPU buffer
> > 	backtrace
> > 	printk-safe-exit     //flush per-CPU buffer, enable local IRQs
> > 
> > except that 'printk-safe-enter/exit' will have new names here, say
> > printk-buffered-begin/end, and, probably, handle flush differently.
> 
> OK. Then, answer is that we are allowed to sleep after get_printk_buffer()
> if get_printk_buffer() is called from schedulable context because different
> printk_buffer will be assigned by get_printk_buffer() if get_printk_buffer()
> is called from non-schedulable context.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > > hm, 16 is rather random, it's too much for UP and probably not enough for
> > > > a 240 CPUs system. for the time being there are 3 buffered-printk users
> > > > (as far as I can see), but who knows how more will be added in the future.
> > > > each CPU can have overlapping printks from process, IRQ and NMI contexts.
> > > > for NMI we use printk-nmi buffers, so it's out of the list; but, in general,
> > > > *it seems* that we better depend on the number of CPUs the system has.
> > > > which, once again, returns us back to printk-safe...
> > > > 
> > > > thoughts?
> > > 
> > > I can make 16 a CONFIG_ option.
> > 
> > but still, why use additional N buffers, when we already have per-CPU
> > buffers? what am I missing?
> 
> Per-CPU buffers need to disable preemption by disabling local hard
> IRQ / soft IRQ. But printk_buffers need not to disable preemption.

yes. ok. seems that I can't explain what I want.

my point is:

printk-buffered does not disable preemption and we can sleep under
printk-buffered-begin. fine. but why would you want to sleep there anyway?
you just want to print a backtrace and be done with it. and backtracing
does not sleep, afaiu, or it least it should not, because it must be
possible to dump_stack() from atomic context. so why have

	printk-buffered keeps preemption and irqs enable and uses one
	of aux buffers (if any).

instead of

	printk-buffered starts an atomic section - it disables preemption
	and local irqs, because it uses per-CPU buffer (which is always,
	and already, there).

?

[..]
> > hm, from a schedulable context you can do *something* like
> > 
> > 	console_lock()
> > 	printk()
> > 	...
> > 	printk()
> > 	console_unlock()
> > 
> > 
> > you won't be able to console_lock() until all pending messages are
> > flushed. since you are in a schedulable context, you can sleep on
> > console_sem in console_lock(). well, just saying.
> 
> console_lock()/console_unlock() pair is different from what I want.
> 
> console_lock()/console_unlock() pair blocks as long as somebody else
> is printk()ing. What I want is an API for
> 
>   current thread waits for N bytes to be written to console devices
>   if current thread stored N bytes using printk(), but allow using some
>   timeout and killable because waiting unconditionally forever is not good
>   (e.g. current thread is expected to bail out soon if OOM-killed during
>   waiting for N bytes to be written to console devices)

I assume you are talking here about a completely new API, not related to
the patch in question (because your patch does not do this). right?

	-ss

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