linux-kernel - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode

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Message-ID: <20170512070012.7dysuhbkcas7ibaj@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 12 May 2017 09:00:12 +0200
From:   Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
Cc:     Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
        Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...gle.com>,
        Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>,
        Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        René Nyffenegger <mail@...enyffenegger.ch>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
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        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        Pavel Tikhomirov <ptikhomirov@...tuozzo.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address
 limit before returning to user-mode


* Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:56 AM, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 08:45:22AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> We only have ~115 code blocks in the kernel that set/restore KERNEL_DS, it would
> >> be a pity to add a runtime check to every system call ...
> >
> > I think we should simply strive to remove all of them that aren't
> > in core scheduler / arch code.  Basically evetyytime we do the
> >
> >         oldfs = get_fs();
> >         set_fs(KERNEL_DS);
> >         ..
> >         set_fs(oldfs);
> >
> > trick we're doing something wrong, and there should always be better
> > ways to archive it.  E.g. using iov_iter with a ITER_KVEC type
> > consistently would already remove most of them.
> 
> How about trying to remove all of them?  If we could actually get rid
> of all of them, we could drop the arch support, and we'd get faster,
> simpler, shorter uaccess code throughout the kernel.

I'm all for that!

Thanks,

	Ingo