linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] arm/arm64: signal SIBGUS and inject SEA Error

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Message-ID: <5915EFF9.1020405@arm.com>
Date:   Fri, 12 May 2017 18:25:13 +0100
From:   James Morse <james.morse@....com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] arm/arm64: signal SIBGUS and inject SEA Error

Hi gengdongjiu,

On 10/05/17 09:44, gengdongjiu wrote:
> On 2017/5/9 1:28, James Morse wrote:
>>>> (hwpoison for KVM is a corner case as Qemu's memory effectively has two users,
>>>> Qemu and KVM. This isn't the example of how user-space gets signalled.)
>>
>> KVM creates guests as if they were additional users of Qemu's memory. The code
>> in mm/memory-failure.c may find that Qemu didn't have the affected page mapped
>> to user-space - but it may have been in use by stage2.
>>
>> The KVM+SIGBUS patch hides this difference, meaning Qemu gets a signal when the
>> guest touches the hwpoison page as if Qemu had touched the page itself.
>>
>> Signals from KVM is a corner case, for firmware-first decisions should happen in
>> the APEI code based on CPER records.

>>> If so, how the KVM handle the SEA type other than hwpoison?

>> To deliver to a guest? It shouldn't have to know, user space should use a KVM
>> API to drive this.
>>
>> When received from hardware? It shouldn't have to care, these things should be
>> passed into the APEI code for handling. KVM just needs to put the host registers
>> back.

> Recently I confirmed with the hardware team. they said almost all the SEA errors have the
> Poison flag, so may be there is no need to consider other SEA errors other than  hwPoison.
> only consider SEA hwpoison errors can be enough.

We should be careful here, by hwpoison I meant the Linux feature.
>From Documentation/vm/hwpoison.txt:
> Upcoming Intel CPUs have support for recovering from some memory errors
> (``MCA recovery''). This requires the OS to declare a page "poisoned",
> kill the processes associated with it and avoid using it in the future.

We were talking about KVM's reaction to 'the OS declaring a page poisoned'.
Lets try to call this one memory-failure, as that is its Kconfig name. (now I
understand why we've been confusing each other!)

Your hwpoison looks like something the CPU reports in the ERR<n>STATUS registers
(4.6.10 of DDI0587). This is something firmware should read, then describe to
the OS via CPER records. Depending on these CPER records linux may invoke its
memory-failure code.


>>> injection a SEA is no more than setting some registers: elr_el1, PC,
>>> PSTATE, SPSR_el1, far_el1, esr_el1
>>> I seen this KVM API do the same thing as Qemu.  do you found call this
>>> API will have issue and necessary to choose another ESR value?
>>
>> Should we let user-space pick the ESR to deliver to the guest? Yes, letting
>> user-space specify the ESR gives the most flexibility to do something clever in
>> the future. An obvious choice for SEA is between the external-abort and 'parity
>> or ECC error' codes. If we tell user-space which of these happened (I don't
>> think Linux does today) then Qemu can relay that information to the guest.

> may be the ESR is delivered by the KVM.
> (1) guest OS EL0 happen SEA due to hwpoison
> (2) CPU traps to EL3 firmware, and update the ESR_EL3
> (3) the EL3 firmware copies the ESR_EL3 to ESR_EL2
> (4) then jump to EL2 hypervisor, hypervisor uses the ESR_EL2 to inject the SEA.
> 
> May be the esr_el2 can provide the accurate error information.
> or do you think user-space specify the ESR instead of esr_el2 is better?

I think the severity needs to be considered as the notification is handled by
each exception level. There are cases where it will need to be upgraded from
'contained' to 'uncontained'. (more discussion on another part of the thread).


Thanks,

James