linux-kernel - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode

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Date:   Fri, 12 May 2017 16:20:31 -0700
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
To:     Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address
 limit before returning to user-mode

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> Folks, seriously, have you even looked through that zoo?  I have, and it's
> really, really not fun.  Sure, we can say "fuck 'em, no need to allow
> splice() on random crap".  Would be perfectly reasonable, expect that
> it's not the only place doing kernel_write() and its ilk...

Can you clarify this?  I think we really may be able to do exactly
this.  From Christoph's list, there are only two things that need
kernel_read/kernel_write to user-supplied fds that may come from a
variety of sources: splice and exec.  If you're execing a chardev from
a crappy driver, something is seriously wrong.  And returning -EINVAL
from splice() to or from files that use ->read and ->write seems find
(and splice(2) even documents -EINVAL as meaning that the target
doesn't support splicing).

--Andy