linux-kernel - Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS

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Message-ID: <1de2da93-01f5-1e26-ba4e-7c28fd9859f4@nmatt.com>
Date:   Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:22:38 -0400
From:   Matt Brown <matt@...tt.com>
To:     "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Alan Cox <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc:     Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>,
        Boris Lukashev <blukashev@...pervictus.com>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com" 
        <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        linux-security-module <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-api@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI
 ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN

On 6/2/17 2:18 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Matt Brown (matt@...tt.com):
>> On 6/2/17 12:57 PM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>>> I'm not quite sure what you're asking for here.  Let me offer a precise
>>> strawman design.  I'm sure there are problems with it, it's just a starting
>>> point.
>>>
>>> system-wide whitelist (for now 'may_push_chars') is full by default.
>>>
>>
>> So is may_push_chars just an alias for TIOCSTI? Or are there some
>> potential whitelist members that would map to multiple ioctls?
> 
> <shrug>  I'm seeing it as only TIOCSTI right now.
> 
>>> By default, nothing changes - you can use those on your own tty, need
>>> CAP_SYS_ADMIN against init_user_ns otherwise.
>>>
>>> Introduce a new CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED.
>>>
>>
>> I'm fine with this.
>>
>>> When may_push_chars is removed from the whitelist, you lose the ability
>>> to use TIOCSTI on a tty - even your own - if you do not have CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED
>>> against the tty's user_ns.
>>>
>>
>> How do you propose storing/updating the whitelist? sysctl?
>>
>> If it is a sysctl, would each whitelist member have a sysctl?
>> e.g.: kernel.ioctlwhitelist.may_push_chars = 1
>>
>> Overall, I'm fine with this idea.
> 
> That sounds reasonable.  Or a securityfs file - I guess not everyone
> has securityfs, but if it were to become part of YAMA then that would
> work.
> 

Yama doesn't depend on securityfs does it?

What do other people think? Should this be an addition to YAMA or its
own thing?

Alan Cox: what do you think of the above ioctl whitelisting scheme?