linux-kernel - Re: New vger mailing list request

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Message-ID: <20170608203851.GQ27288@wotan.suse.de>
Date:   Thu, 8 Jun 2017 22:38:51 +0200
From:   "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>
To:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:     "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Kyle McMartin <kyle@...nel.org>,
        Kalle Valo <kvalo@...eaurora.org>, postmaster@...r.kernel.org,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Daniel Wagner <wagi@...om.org>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Arend Van Spriel <arend.vanspriel@...adcom.com>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
        "Li, Yi" <yi1.li@...ux.intel.com>, atull@...nel.org,
        Moritz Fischer <moritz.fischer@...us.com>,
        Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.com>,
        Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@...el.com>,
        Emmanuel Grumbach <emmanuel.grumbach@...el.com>,
        Luciano Coelho <luciano.coelho@...el.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        "AKASHI, Takahiro" <takahiro.akashi@...aro.org>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        Peter Jones <pjones@...hat.com>,
        Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>,
        Alan Cox <alan@...ux.intel.com>, Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>
Subject: Re: New vger mailing list request - linux-firmware

On Thu, Jun 08, 2017 at 10:31:53PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 08, 2017 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Linus Torvalds
> > <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@...nel.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do users deserve the amount of silly regressions and issues we've seen
> > >> over the years on firmware_class ? Would yet-another mailing list help
> > >> ? I think so.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > Boutique mailing lists are generally a _bad_ thing. All it means that
> > > there's an increasingly small "in group" that thinks that they
> > > generate consensus beause nobody disagrees with their small boutique
> > > list, because nobody else even _sees_ that small list.
> > >
> > > We should only have mailing lists if they really merit the volume, and
> > > are big enough that there are lots of users.
> > 
> > Even many device drivers tend to have mailing lists. While I see the
> > "in group" thing being a bad thing, I would say a few folks would be a
> > bit disturbed if they were requested to subscribe and read lkml to get
> > their driver updates they need to review. Its not clear to me where
> > the distinction should be made though. I tend to agree perhaps a
> > *vger* mailing list is not in merit for firmware_class, its not
> > obvious to me say an infradead.org list might not be in order.
> 
> This is infrastructure that drivers use, not something huge and big that
> warrents a whole separate mailing list.  Come on now, it's not that big
> of a chunk of code, no matter how complex the beast might be :)

Alright, I'll keep CC'ing tons of you then !

I'd also appreciate if those contributing will also try CC those in this email
except David Miller of course, our benevolent postmaster.

  Luis