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Message-ID: <20170629071101.GA10884@sejong>
Date:   Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:11:01 +0900
From:   Namhyung Kim <namhyung@...nel.org>
To:     Milian Wolff <milian.wolff@...b.com>
Cc:     Taeung Song <treeze.taeung@...il.com>,
        Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@...el.com>,
        Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>,
        Jin Yao <yao.jin@...ux.intel.com>,
        Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
        Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@....com>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>,
        Wang Nan <wangnan0@...wei.com>, kernel-team@....com
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 0/4] perf annotate: Add --source-only option and the
 new source code TUI view

Hello,

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Milian Wolff wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:18:08 AM CEST Taeung Song wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The --source-only option and new source code TUI view can show
> > the result of performance analysis based on full source code per
> > symbol(function). (Namhyung Kim told me this idea and it was also requested
> > by others some time ago..)
> > 
> > If someone wants to see the cause, he/she will need to dig into the asm.
> > But before that, looking at the source level can give a hint or clue
> > for the problem.
> > 
> > For example, if target symbol is 'hex2u64' of util/util.c,
> > the output is like below.
> > 
> >     $ perf annotate --source-only --stdio -s hex2u64
> >  Percent |      Source code of util.c for cycles:ppp (42 samples)
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >     0.00 : 354   * While we find nice hex chars, build a long_val.
> >     0.00 : 355   * Return number of chars processed.
> >     0.00 : 356   */
> >     0.00 : 357  int hex2u64(const char *ptr, u64 *long_val)
> >     2.38 : 358  {
> >     2.38 : 359          const char *p = ptr;
> >     0.00 : 360          *long_val = 0;
> >     0.00 : 361
> >    30.95 : 362          while (*p) {
> >    23.81 : 363                  const int hex_val = hex(*p);
> >     0.00 : 364
> >    14.29 : 365                  if (hex_val < 0)
> >     0.00 : 366                          break;
> >     0.00 : 367
> >    26.19 : 368                  *long_val = (*long_val << 4) | hex_val;
> >     0.00 : 369                  p++;
> >     0.00 : 370          }
> >     0.00 : 371
> >     0.00 : 372          return p - ptr;
> >     0.00 : 373  }
> > 
> > And I added many perf developers into Cc: because I want to listen to your
> > opinions about this new feature, if you don't mind.
> > 
> > If you give some feedback, I'd appreciate it! :)
> 
> Thanks Taeung,
> 
> I requested this feature some time ago and it's really cool to see someone 
> step up and implement it - much appreciated!
> 
> I just tested it out on my pet-example that leverages C++ instead of C:
> 
> ~~~~~
> #include <complex>
> #include <cmath>
> #include <random>
> #include <iostream>
> 
> using namespace std;
> 
> int main()
> {
>     uniform_real_distribution<double> uniform(-1E5, 1E5);
>     default_random_engine engine;
>     double s = 0;
>     for (int i = 0; i < 10000000; ++i) {
>         s += norm(complex<double>(uniform(engine), uniform(engine)));
>     }
>     cout << s << '\n';
>     return 0;
> }
> ~~~~~
> 
> Compile it with:
> 
> g++ -O2 -g -std=c++11 test.cpp -o test
> 
> Then record it with perf:
> 
> perf record --call-graph dwarf ./test
> 
> Then analyse it with `perf report`. You'll see one entry for main with 
> something like:
> 
> +  100.00%    39.69%  cpp-inlining  cpp-inlining      [.] main
> 
> Select it and annotate it, then switch to your new source-only view:
> 
> main  test.cpp
>        │  30                                                                                                                                                                                             >        │  31    using namespace std;                                                                                                                                                                     >        │  32                                                                                                                                                                                             >        │  33    int main()                                                                                                                                                                               >        │+ 34    {                                                                                                                                                                                        >        │  35        uniform_real_distribution<double> uniform(-1E5, 1E5);                                                                                                                                >        │  36        default_random_engine engine;                                                                                                                                                        >        │+ 37        double s = 0;                                                                                                                                                                        >        │+ 38        for (int i = 0; i < 10000000; ++i) {                                                                                                                                                 >   4.88 │+ 39            s += norm(complex<double>(uniform(engine), uniform(engine)));                                                                                                                    >        │  40        }                                                                                                                                                                                    >        │  41        cout << s << '\n';                                                                                                                                                                   >        │  42        return 0;                                                                                                                                                                            >        │+ 43    } 
> 
> Note: the line numbers are off b/c my file contains a file-header on-top. 
> Ignore that.
> 
> Note2: There is no column header shown, so it's unclear what the first column 
> represents.
> 
> Note 3: report showed 39.69% self cost in main, 100.00% inclusive. annotate 
> shows 4.88... What is that?
> 
> What this shows, is that it's extremely important to visualize inclusive cost 
> _and_ self cost in this view. Additionally, we need to account for inlining. 
> Right now, we only see the self cost that is directly within main, I suspect. 

Currently perf annotate doesn't use the sample period, it uses sample
count instead and print the percentage within the function.  So it's a
different number to the perf report.  I think we need to fix this
first.

Thanks,
Namhyung


> For C++ this is usually very misleading, and basically makes the annotate view 
> completely useless for application-level profiling. If a second column would 
> be added with the inclusive cost with the ability to drill down, then I could 
> easily see myself using this view.
> 
> I would appreciate if you could take this into account.
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> 
> -- 
> Milian Wolff | milian.wolff@...b.com | Senior Software Engineer
> KDAB (Deutschland) GmbH&Co KG, a KDAB Group company
> Tel: +49-30-521325470
> KDAB - The Qt Experts


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