linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 21/55] KVM: arm64: Forward HVC instruction to the guest hypervisor

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Date:   Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:03:51 +0100
From:   Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To:     Christoffer Dall <cdall@...aro.org>
Cc:     Andrew Jones <drjones@...hat.com>,
        Jintack Lim <jintack.lim@...aro.org>,
        Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@...aro.org>,
        Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@....com>,
        Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
        Radim Krčmář <rkrcmar@...hat.com>,
        linux@...linux.org.uk, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        vladimir.murzin@....com, Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@....com>,
        mark.rutland@....com, james.morse@....com,
        lorenzo.pieralisi@....com, kevin.brodsky@....com,
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        Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com>,
        Eric Auger <eric.auger@...hat.com>, anna-maria@...utronix.de,
        Shih-Wei Li <shihwei@...columbia.edu>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC 21/55] KVM: arm64: Forward HVC instruction to the guest
 hypervisor

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 11:51:26AM +0200, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 11:31:56AM +0200, Andrew Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 11:08:50AM +0200, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:21:25AM -0400, Jintack Lim wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:47 AM, Christoffer Dall <cdall@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 01:24:17AM -0500, Jintack Lim wrote:
> > > > >> +/* We forward all hvc instruction to the guest hypervisor. */
> > > > >> +int handle_hvc_nested(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> > > > >> +{
> > > > >> +     return kvm_inject_nested_sync(vcpu, kvm_vcpu_get_hsr(vcpu));
> > > > >> +}
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand the logic here or in the caller above.  Do we really
> > > > > forward *all" hvc calls to the guest hypervisor now, so that we no
> > > > > longer support any hypercalls from the VM?  That seems a little rough
> > > > > and probably requires some more discussions.
> > > > 
> > > > So I think if we run a VM with the EL2 support, then all hvc calls
> > > > from the VM should be forwarded to the virtual EL2.
> > > 
> > > But do we actually check if the guest has EL2 here?  It seems you cann
> > > handle_hvc_nested unconditionally when you have
> > > OCNFIG_KVM_ARM_NESTED_HYP.  I think that's what threw me off when first
> > > reading your patch.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I may miss something obvious, so can you (or anyone) come up with some
> > > > cases that the host hypervisor needs to directly handle hvc from the
> > > > VM with the EL2 support?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > So I'm a little unsure what to say here.  On one hand you are absolutely
> > > correct, that architecturally if we emulated virtual EL2, then all
> > > hypercalls are handled by the virtual EL2 (even hypercalls from virtual
> > > EL2 which should become self-hypercalls).
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, an enlightened guest may want to use hypercalls to
> > > the hypervisor for some reason, but that would require some numbering
> > > scheme to separate the two concepts.
> > 
> > Yes, I've been thinking that a KVM generic vcpu needs to be enlightened,
> > and to use a hypercall to get the host cpu's errata. If we head down that
> > road, then even a vcpu emulating EL2 would need to be able to this.
> > 
> 
> We could use SMC calls here a well, as the "conduit" as I believe the
> ARM folks are calling it.  We just need to agree somewhere (across
> hypervisors preferably), that when you have virtual EL2, everything is
> via SMC (even upcalls to a host hypervisor), and otherwise it's via HVC.

Does that mean you require the CPU to implement EL3 if you want to use
nested virtualisation?

Will