linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

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Message-ID: <CA+55aFyAunJqeoZfcOFjPS3ZQvm_zM2xztvwxkcJ5fhk1Xzmqw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 4 Jul 2017 11:37:15 -0700
From:   Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>, Ben Hutchings <ben@...adent.org.uk>,
        Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
        Larry Woodman <lwoodman@...hat.com>,
        "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@...temov.name>,
        Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@...isc-linux.org>,
        Helge Diller <deller@....de>,
        James Hogan <james.hogan@...tec.com>,
        Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
        "security@...nel.org" <security@...nel.org>,
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        Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@...lys.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ximin Luo <infinity0@...ian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> Well, I've been thinking about this some more and the more I think about
> it the less I am convinced we should try to be clever here. Why? Because
> as soon as somebody tries to manage stacks explicitly you cannot simply
> assume anything about the previous mapping. Say some interpret uses
> [ mngmnt data][red zone]                 <--[- MAP_GROWSDOWN ]
>
> Now if we consider the red zone's (PROT_NONE) prev mapping we would fail
> the expansion even though we haven't hit the red zone and that is
> essentially what the Java and rust bugs are about. So we just risk yet
> another regression.

Ack.

Let's make the initial version at least only check the first vma.

The long-term fix for this is to have the binaries do proper stack
expansion probing anyway, and it's quite possible that people who do
their own stack redzoning by adding a PROT_NONE thing already do that
proper fix (eg the Java stack may simply not *have* those big crazy
structures on it in the first place).

            Linus