linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

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Message-ID: <1499257314.2707.36.camel@decadent.org.uk>
Date:   Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:21:54 +0100
From:   Ben Hutchings <ben@...adent.org.uk>
To:     Willy Tarreau <w@....eu>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
        Larry Woodman <lwoodman@...hat.com>,
        "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@...temov.name>,
        Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@...isc-linux.org>,
        Helge Diller <deller@....de>,
        James Hogan <james.hogan@...tec.com>,
        Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
        "security@...nel.org" <security@...nel.org>,
        linux-distros@...openwall.org,
        Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@...lys.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ximin Luo <infinity0@...ian.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

On Wed, 2017-07-05 at 10:14 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 08:36:46AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > PROT_NONE would explicitly fault but we would simply
> > run over this mapping too easily and who knows what might end up below
> > it. So to me the guard gap does its job here.
> 
> I tend to think that applications that implement their own stack guard
> using PROT_NONE also assume that they will never perfom unchecked stack
> allocations larger than their own guard, thus the condition above should
> never happen. Otherwise they're bogus and/or vulnerable by design and it
> is their responsibility to fix it.
> 
> Thus maybe if that helps we could even relax some of the stack guard
> checks as soon as we meet a PROT_NONE area, allowing VMAs to be tightly
> packed if the application knows what it's doing. That wouldn't solve
> the libreoffice issue though, given the lower page is RWX.

How about, instead of looking at permissions, we remember whether vmas
were allocated with MAP_FIXED and ignore those when evaluating the gap?

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Anthony's Law of Force: Don't force it, get a larger hammer.


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