Message-ID: <20170725114656.GA27768@arm.com>
Date:   Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:46:57 +0100
From:   Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To:     Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@....com>
Cc:     linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@...aro.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] arm/arm64: Workaround misprogrammed CNTFRQ

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 02:35:08PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On 24/07/17 14:12, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 01:48:37PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> >> On 24/07/17 13:19, Will Deacon wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 06:15:26PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> >>>> It is an unfortunate situation that CNTFRQ{,_EL0} is often
> >>>> misprogrammed from the firmware side, leaving it up to the kernel to
> >>>> work around it. This is usually done by providing an alternative
> >>>> frequency in the Device Tree.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, CNTFRQ is accessible from EL0, giving userspace the
> >>>> wrong frequency, and potentially a different frequency per CPU, which
> >>>> is definitely not what you want. A possible workaround is to trap this
> >>>> into the kernel and to emulate it (together with the VDSO being
> >>>> disabled), and this is what this series is achieving.
> >>>
> >>> Which userspace is actually affected by a broken CNTFRQ register? I suspect
> >>> most users will be more upset at losing their (perfectly functional) vDSO
> >>> acceleration than they are about having a broken CNTFRQ value that is hardly
> >>> ever used, especially since this affects quite a few systems.
> >>
> >> OpenMPI is one of the things I'm aware of (we broke it when implementing
> >> the first set of timer workarounds), and from trawling the Debian code
> >> search, at least HHVM is another candidate. How this will affect them is
> >> anybody's guess.
> > 
> > The latest mcrouter sources pulled into HHVM don't use cntfrq, but you're
> > right about OpenMPI. However, these things are using the counter directly
> > as a performance optimisation: the moment we start trapping then they've
> > lost. I doubt it's much better than giving the wrong data for the
> > frequency (i.e. they're just as broken in both cases).
> > 
> > So, if they want to run on these systems, their best bet is to use the
> > vDSO-accelerated clock_gettime implementation. Yes, there's a dispatch cost
> > compared to an inline asm, but it will beat the pants off a trap to the
> > kernel. The problem is that this patch series prevents them from doing that
> > and just means they're screwed whatever they do. We can point at the broken
> > firmware, but it doesn't feel to me like this workaround is really helping
> > anybody :/.
> 
> Fair enough.
> 
> It still remains that our trapping story is inconsistent. When we
> workaround timer issues, we do disable the VDSO and trap both cntvct and
> cntfrq. These will trap to EL1, and we'll deliver a SIGILL to userspace,
> while 64bit userspace will just work. Is that something we want to address?

That's a good question, and I guess it depends on whether or not we have
people asking for that. Are we aware of userspace that is being broken by
this? If so, then we can address it, otherwise we can wait until somebody
shouts. It's not unlikely that any 32-bit code trying to use the counter
registers directly already handles SIGILL, since that's what will happen
on older CPUs without the arch timer anyway.

Will

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