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Date:   Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:28:16 +0200
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
To:     Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
Cc:     Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@....com>,
        Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] drm/atomic: implement drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail
 for runtime_pm users

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Laurent Pinchart
<laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com> wrote:
> Hi Livu,
>
> On Wednesday 02 Aug 2017 13:46:48 Liviu Dudau wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 01:27:23PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@....com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 03:01:16PM +0200, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>> >>> +/**
>> >>> + * drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail_rpm - commit atomic update to
>> >>> hardware
>> >>> + * @old_state: new modeset state to be committed
>> >>> + *
>> >>> + * This is an alternative implementation for the
>> >>> + * &drm_mode_config_helper_funcs.atomic_commit_tail hook, for drivers
>> >>> + * that support runtime_pm or need the CRTC to be enabled to perform a
>> >>> + * commit. Otherwise, one should use the default implementation
>> >>> + * drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail().
>> >>> + */
>> >>> +void drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail_rpm(struct drm_atomic_state
>> >>> *old_state)
>> >>> +{
>> >>> +     struct drm_device *dev = old_state->dev;
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_commit_modeset_disables(dev, old_state);
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_commit_modeset_enables(dev, old_state);
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_commit_planes(dev, old_state,
>> >>> +                                     DRM_PLANE_COMMIT_ACTIVE_ONLY);
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_commit_hw_done(old_state);
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_vblanks(dev, old_state);
>> >>> +
>> >>> +     drm_atomic_helper_cleanup_planes(dev, old_state);
>> >>> +}
>> >>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail_rpm);
>> >>> +
>> >>
>> >> Given that this function is supposed to be used by runtime PM aware
>> >> drivers and that the hook is called from the DRM core, should there not
>> >> be some pm_runtime_{get,put} calls wrapping the body of this function?
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> > No, because the drm atomic helpers have no idea which device is
>> > backing which part of the drm device. Some drivers might on have one
>> > device for the entire driver, some one device for just the display
>> > part (which might or might not match drm_device->dev). And many arm
>> > drivers have a device for each block separately (and you need to call
>> > rpm_get/put on each). And some something in-between (e.g. core device
>> > + external encoders).
>>
>> Hmm, I understand your point about this function not having to care about
>> pm_runtime_{get,put}, but I do not agree with your view that if it wanted to
>> care about it, it wouldn't be able to do the right thing because it doesn't
>> have the right device. After all, this function is about handling the
>> updates that this atomic commit is concerned about, so having the
>> old_state->dev drm_device pointer and its associated device should be
>> enough. Am I missing something?
>
> In embedded system it's quite common for display hardware to be made of
> multiple IP cores. Depending on the SoC you could have to manage runtime PM at
> the CRTC level for instance. The DRM core doesn't know about that, and sees a
> single device only.
>
> I've expressed my doubts previously about the need for a RPM version of
> drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail(), as the resulting order of CRTC enable/disable
> and plane update operations can lead to corrupt frames when enabling the CRTC.
> I had a commit tail implementation in the rcar-du driver that was very similar
> to drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail_rpm(), and had to move back to the standard
> order to fix the corrupt frame issue. The result isn't as clean as I would
> like, as power handling is split between the CRTC enable/disable and the
> atomic begin/flush in a way that is not straightforward.
>
> It now occurred to me that a simpler implementation could be possible. I'll
> have to experiment with it first, but the idea is as follows.
>
> 1 Call pm_runtime_get_sync() at the beginning of .commit_tail() and
> pm_runtime_put() at the end.
>
> 2. Use the standard CRTC disable, plane update, CRTC enable order in
> .commit_tail().
>
> 3. Call pm_runtime_get() in the CRTC .enable() handler and pm_runtime_put() in
> the CRTC .disable() handler;
>
> This should guarantee that the device won't be suspended between CRTC disable
> and CRTC enable during a mode set, without requiring any special collaboration
> between CRTC enable/disable and atomic begin/flush to handle runtime PM. If
> drivers implement this, there should be no need for
> drm_atomic_helper_commit_tail_rpm().
>
> Maxime, Daniel, what do you think about this ?

Ok, since you just said on irc that the corrupted frame is some random
color, that's indeed not cool. What all other drivers (well at least
i915) do is:

1. Enable the screen, but scan out nothing as a pure black. This might
mean you need to set up the blend unit with a background color of
black.
2. Do an atomic flip to the new screen contents.

This way you get the sequence implement in the new _rpm
implementation. And for most normal hw this gives you the simplest
implementation, and has the benefit that writing to disabled hw blocks
indicates a bug. Wrapping an entire sequence with rpm_get/put like
Laurent describes is a really good way to hide bugs (e.g. write new
stuff to hw you're about to disable and then drop the hw settings on
the floor). Yes it makes implementation a bit easier, but easier !=
more correct in many cases. Nasty self-checks are good for getting kms
implementation rights.

Another benefit of this sequence is that the initial plane enable
after a crtc enable is like any other "background black -> planes"
atomic switch, and atomic does allow you to disable all planes. So
your driver better supports that (or is one of the few which has to
reject a config without any planes), since userspace might want to
enable the CRTC with no planes, and then you have the exact same bug
again.

It sounds like Laurent's 3rd gen rcar-du is special, and so needs
special code (or well just a bugfix to enable the composer with all
black in the CRTC enable code.

Cheers, Daniel

>> > I don't think there's anything the helpers can to to help support this.
>> >
>> > Also, just wrapping functions with rpm_get/put only papers over bugs
>> > in your driver - either you enable something, then the rpm_get needs
>> > to be done anyway (since the hw will be shut down otherwise), or you
>> > disable something, same reasons. The only thing a rpm_get/put does is
>> > paper over the bugs where you try to access the hw when it's off. As
>> > soon as this function finishes, the hw is shut down again, drops all
>> > register values on the floor, so either that access wasn't needed, or
>> > your driver has a bug (because it assumes the register values survive
>> > when they don't).
>> >
>> > So imo all around a bad idea, at least from my experience of doing rpm
>> > enabling on i915 hw.
>>
>> Understood. Thanks!
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Laurent Pinchart
>



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