linux-kernel - Re: Memory-ordering recipes

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Message-ID: <20170919020053.GA10893@tardis>
Date:   Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:00:53 +0800
From:   Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:     j.alglave@....ac.uk, luc.maranget@...ia.fr, parri.andrea@...il.com,
        stern@...land.harvard.edu, dhowells@...hat.com,
        peterz@...radead.org, will.deacon@....com, npiggin@...il.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Memory-ordering recipes

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 07:25:48AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 03:52:42PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 04:05:09PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > > The topic of memory-ordering recipes came up at the Linux Plumbers
> > > Conference microconference on Friday, so I thought that I should summarize
> > > what is currently "out there":
> > > 
> > > 1.	memory-barriers.txt:  A bit rambling and diffuse for a recipes
> > > 	document.
> > > 
> > > 2.	https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/LWNLinuxMM/Examples.html
> > > 	Many of the examples are on-point, but this is aimed more
> > > 	at understanding the memory model than at an organized set
> > > 	of recipes.
> > > 
> > > 3.	https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/LWNLinuxMM/Examples.html
> > 
> > Duplicate links ;-) This should a link to some slides?
> 
> Indeed!  How about this one?
> 
> http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2017/ocw//system/presentations/4708/original/LKMM-overview.2017.09.15b.pdf
> 

Got it.

Thanks for the link ;-)

Regards,
Boqun

> > > 	Slides 15-20.  Again, some of the litmus tests are on-point,
> > > 	but the focus is more on understanding the memory model than on
> > > 	an organized set of recipes.
> > > 
> > > So what litmus tests are needed?  Here is my initial set:
> > > 
> > > 1.	Release-acquire chains, AKA ISA2, Z6.2, LB, and 3.LB
> > > 
> > > 	Lots of variety here, can in some cases substitute:
> > > 	
> > > 	a.	READ_ONCE() for smp_load_acquire()
> > > 	b.	WRITE_ONCE() for smp_store_release()
> > > 	c.	Dependencies for both smp_load_acquire() and
> > > 		smp_store_release().
> > > 	d.	smp_wmb() for smp_store_release() in first thread
> > > 		of ISA2 and Z6.2.
> > > 	e.	smp_rmb() for smp_load_acquire() in last thread of ISA2.
> > > 
> > > 2.	MP (see test6.pdf for nickname translation)
> > > 
> > > 	a.	smp_store_release() / smp_load_acquire()
> > > 	b.	rcu_assign_pointer() / rcu_dereference()
> > > 	c.	smp_wmb() / smp_rmb()
> > > 	d.	Replacing either of the above with smp_mb()
> > > 
> > > 3.	SB
> > > 
> > > 	a.	smp_mb(), as in lockless wait-wakeup coordination.
> > > 		And as in sys_membarrier()-scheduler coordination,
> > > 		for that matter.
> > 
> > 	b.	replace smp_mb() with smp_mb__before_atomic() followed
> > 		by a _relaxed cmpchg? As in pv_kick_node():
> > 
> > 		https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=150274124711012
> > 
> > Besides, do we also want to add Co* into the set? I think there may be
> > some people still confused to think per-loc SC is not held, and they may
> > add unnecessary barriers in their code. Those (Co*) recipes could serve
> > as a guide for state-machine style programming. Thoughts?
> 
> Indeed, it would be good to have some single-variable-SC recipes.
> 
> And single-variable-SC holds only if you use READ_ONCE().  ;-)
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 

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