linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86/asm: Fix inline asm call constraints for clang

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Date:   Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:18:13 +0200
From:   Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>
To:     Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>,
        Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@...omium.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@...tuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86/asm: Fix inline asm call constraints for clang

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we need just the frame itself and RSP pointing below this
>>>>>>> frame. If we don't have a frame, CALL instruction will smash whatever
>>>>>>> RSP happens to point to. Compiler doesn't have to setup RSP to point
>>>>>>> below used part of stack in leaf functions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the kernel it does.  Redzoning is not allowed in the kernel, because
>>>>>> interrupts or exceptions would also smash the redzone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see... But it's the same for user-space signals, the first thing a
>>>>> signal should do is to skip the redzone. I guess interrupt handlers
>>>>> should switch to interrupt stack which avoids smashing redzone
>>>>> altogether. Do you mean nested interrupts/exceptions in interrupts?
>>>>> In my experience frames in leaf functions can have pretty large
>>>>> performance penalty. Wonder if we have we considered changing
>>>>> interrupt/exception handlers to avoid smashing redzones and disable
>>>>> leaf frames?
>>>>
>>>> Currently, on x86-64, I believe all exceptions have their own dedicated
>>>> stacks in the kernel, but IRQs still come in on the task's kernel stack.
>>>>
>>>> Andy, do you know if there's a reason why IRQs don't use a dedicated IST
>>>> stack?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because IST is awful due to recursion issues.  We immediately switch to an IRQ stack, though.
>>>
>>> If the kernel wanted a redzone, it would have to use IST for everything, which would entail a bunch of unpleasant hackery.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I guess it must be finite recursion, because we could not handle
>> infinite with finite stack. I thing that solves it is simply:
>>
>> sub $256, %rsp
>> ... do stuff ...
>> add $256, %rsp
>>
>> Don't know if it's applicable to interrupts or not.
>
> No, it is not.  The processor pushes 5 or 6 words of data on the stack
> (the IRET frame plus an error code for certain exceptions) before the
> interrupt handler gets control.  So without using the IST for stack
> switching on every interrupt, the redzone cannot be used in the kernel
> as it will get smashed by the IRET frame.  In addition, since the
> kernel's stack is limited in size, skipping 128 bytes on every
> interrupt would overrun the stack faster.  The small gain from using
> the redzone in the kernel is outweighed by these limitations.

I see, thanks for educating.