Message-ID: <ba463a0b-05bc-9b87-8ed2-c97b54361360@canonical.com>
Date:   Tue, 3 Oct 2017 00:17:29 -0700
From:   John Johansen <john.johansen@...onical.com>
To:     Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>,
        Seth Arnold <seth.arnold@...onical.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: regression in 4.14-rc2 caused by apparmor: add base infastructure
 for socket mediation

On 10/02/2017 11:48 PM, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 10/03/2017 07:15 AM, James Bottomley wrote:
>> On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 21:11 -0700, John Johansen wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2017 09:02 PM, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The specific problem is that dnsmasq refuses to start on openSUSE
>>>> Leap 42.2.  The specific cause is that and attempt to open a
>>>> PF_LOCAL socket gets EACCES.  This means that networking doesn't
>>>> function on a system with a 4.14-rc2 system.
>>>>
>>>> Reverting commit 651e28c5537abb39076d3949fb7618536f1d242e
>>>> (apparmor: add base infastructure for socket mediation) causes the
>>>> system to function again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is not a kernel regression,
>>
>> Regression means something that worked in a previous version of the
>> kernel which is broken now. This problem falls within that definition.
> 
> Hm, but if this was because opensuse kernel and apparmor rules relied on
> an out-of-tree patch, then it's not an upstream regression?
> 

While its true that previous opensuse kernels were relying on an out
of tree patch for doing mediation in this area, the real issue is the
configuration of the userspace on the system is setup to enforce new
policy features advertised by the kernel. Regardless of whether policy
has been updated to deal with it.

Distros should be pinning the feature set supported because as you
note below, policy will not get updated for unsupported kernels and you
will end up in an unsupported state where regressions like this can
happen.

There are reasons why distros don't, largely because certain packages
would like to take advanatage of new features, or only want to support
a single policy version across multiple releases and are relying on
the userspace tools to properly compile the policy to different
kernels.

The current pinning support doesn't allow for mixing policy versions
which can make supporting updated packages difficult atm, but there is
work (that hasn't landed yet) to allow for policy of different version
by putting the requirements within the individual profiles and will
completely avoid the problems encountered here.


>>>  it is because  opensuse dnsmasque is starting with policy that
>>> doesn't allow access to PF_LOCAL socket
>>
>> Because there was no co-ordination between their version of the patch
>> and yours.  If you're sending in patches that you know might break
>> systems because they need a co-ordinated rollout of something in
>> userspace then it would be nice if you could co-ordinate it ...
>>
>> Doing it in the merge window and not in -rc2 would also be helpful
>> because I have more expectation of a userspace mismatch from stuff in
>> the merge window.
> 
> Agree, but with rc2 there's still plenty of time, and running rcX means
> some issues can be expected...
> 
>>> Christian Boltz the opensuse apparmor maintainer has been working
>>> on a policy update for opensuse see bug
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061195
>>
>> Well, that looks really encouraging: The line about "To give you an
>> impression what "lots of" means - I had to adjust 40 profiles on my
>> laptop".  The upshot being apart from a bandaid, openSUSE still has no
>> co-ordinated fix for this.
> 
> Note that the openSUSE Leap 42.2 kernel is 4.4, so by running 4.14 means
> you are unsupported from the distro POV and you can't expect that the
> 42.2 apparmor profiles will ever be updated. I reported the bug above
> for the Tumbleweed rolling distro, which gets new kernels after the
> final version is released and passes QA. rcX kernels are packaged for
> testing, but you have to add the repo explicitly. So there's still
> enough time to co-ordinate fix of profiles and final 4.14 even for
> Tumbleweed.
> 
>> James
>>
> 

Powered by blists - more mailing lists