linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC hack dont apply] intel

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Date:   Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:44:53 +0200
From:   Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
To:     Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, Wanpeng Li <wanpeng.li@...mail.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, rkrcmar@...hat.com,
        dmatlack@...gle.com, agraf@...e.de,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>,
        Linux PM <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC hack dont apply] intel_idle: support running within a
 VM

On 04/10/2017 20:31, Jacob Pan wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 20:12:28 +0300
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 10:09:39AM -0700, Jacob Pan wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 05:09:09 +0300
>>> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 10:12:49AM -0700, Jacob Pan wrote:  
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 01:21:43 +0200
>>>>> "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin
>>>>>> <mst@...hat.com> wrote:    
>>>>>>> intel idle driver does not DTRT when running within a VM:
>>>>>>> when going into a deep power state, the right thing to
>>>>>>> do is to exit to hypervisor rather than to keep polling
>>>>>>> within guest using mwait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently the solution is just to exit to hypervisor each
>>>>>>> time we go idle - this is why kvm does not expose the mwait
>>>>>>> leaf to guests even when it allows guests to do mwait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that's not ideal - it seems better to use the idle
>>>>>>> driver to guess when will the next interrupt arrive.      
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idle driver alone is not sufficient for that, though.
>>>>>>     
>>>>> I second that. Why try to solve this problem at vendor specific
>>>>> driver level?    
>>>>
>>>> Well we still want to e.g. mwait if possible - saves power.
>>>>   
>>>>> perhaps just a pv idle driver that decide whether to vmexit
>>>>> based on something like local per vCPU timer expiration? I
>>>>> guess we can't predict other wake events such as interrupts.
>>>>> e.g.
>>>>> if (get_next_timer_interrupt() > kvm_halt_target_residency)
>>>>> 	vmexit
>>>>> else
>>>>> 	poll
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob    
>>>>
>>>> It's not always a poll, on x86 putting the CPU in a low power
>>>> state is possible within a VM.
>>>>   
>>> Are you talking about using mwait/monitor in the user space which
>>> are available on some Intel CPUs, such as Xeon Phi? I guess if the
>>> guest can identify host CPU id, it is doable.  
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> Please take a look at the patch in question - it does mwait in guest
>> kernel and no need to identify host CPU id.
>>
> I may be missing something, in your patch I only see HLT being used in
> the guest OS, that would cause VM exit right? If you do mwait in the
> guest kernel, it will also exit. So I don't see how you can enter low
> power state within VM guest.

KVM does not exit on MWAIT (though it doesn't show it in CPUID by
default), see commit 668fffa3f838edfcb1679f842f7ef1afa61c3e9a.

Paolo

> 
> +static int intel_halt(struct cpuidle_device *dev,
> +			struct cpuidle_driver *drv, int index)
> +{
> +	printk_once(KERN_ERR "safe_halt started\n");
> +	safe_halt();
> +	printk_once(KERN_ERR "safe_halt done\n");
> +	return index;
> +}
>>
>>>> Does not seem possible on other CPUs that's why it's vendor
>>>> specific. 
>>>
>>> [Jacob Pan]  
> 
> [Jacob Pan]
>