Date:   Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:44:45 +0200
From:   Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@...gutronix.de>
To:     Franklin S Cooper Jr <fcooper@...com>,
        Mario Hüttel <mario.huettel@....net>,
        "Yang, Wenyou" <Wenyou.Yang@...rochip.com>,
        Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@...com>, wg@...ndegger.com,
        socketcan@...tkopp.net, quentin.schulz@...e-electrons.com,
        edumazet@...gle.com, linux-can@...r.kernel.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Cc:     Wenyou Yang <wenyou.yang@...el.com>,
        Dong Aisheng <b29396@...escale.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] can: m_can: Support higher speed CAN-FD bitrates

On 09/21/2017 02:48 AM, Franklin S Cooper Jr wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/20/2017 04:37 PM, Mario Hüttel wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/20/2017 10:19 PM, Franklin S Cooper Jr wrote:
>>> Hi Wenyou,
>>>
>>> On 09/17/2017 10:47 PM, Yang, Wenyou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2017/9/14 13:06, Sekhar Nori wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 14 September 2017 03:28 AM, Franklin S Cooper Jr wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/18/2017 02:39 PM, Franklin S Cooper Jr wrote:
>>>>>>> During test transmitting using CAN-FD at high bitrates (4 Mbps) only
>>>>>>> resulted in errors. Scoping the signals I noticed that only a single
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> was being transmitted and with a bit more investigation realized the
>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>> MCAN IP would go back to initialization mode automatically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears this issue is due to the MCAN needing to use the Transmitter
>>>>>>> Delay Compensation Mode as defined in the MCAN User's Guide. When this
>>>>>>> mode is used the User's Guide indicates that the Transmitter Delay
>>>>>>> Compensation Offset register should be set. The document mentions
>>>>>>> that this
>>>>>>> register should be set to (1/dbitrate)/2*(Func Clk Freq).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional CAN-CIA's "Bit Time Requirements for CAN FD" document
>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>> that this TDC mode is only needed for data bit rates above 2.5 Mbps.
>>>>>>> Therefore, only enable this mode and only set TDCO when the data bit
>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>> is above 2.5 Mbps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Franklin S Cooper Jr <fcooper@...com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> I'm pretty surprised that this hasn't been implemented already since
>>>>>>> the primary purpose of CAN-FD is to go beyond 1 Mbps and the MCAN IP
>>>>>>> supports up to 10 Mbps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So it will be nice to get comments from users of this driver to
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>> if they have been able to use CAN-FD beyond 2.5 Mbps without this
>>>>>>> patch.
>>>>>>> If they haven't what did they do to get around it if they needed higher
>>>>>>> speeds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile I plan on testing this using a more "realistic" CAN bus to
>>>>>>> insure
>>>>>>> everything still works at 5 Mbps which is the max speed of my CAN
>>>>>>> transceiver.
>>>>>> ping. Anyone has any thoughts on this?
>>>>> I added Dong who authored the m_can driver and Wenyou who added the only
>>>>> in-kernel user of the driver for any help.
>>>> I tested it on SAMA5D2 Xplained board both with and without this patch, 
>>>> both work with the 4M bps data bit rate.
>>> Thank you for testing this out. Its interesting that you have been able
>>> to use higher speeds without this patch. What is the CAN transceiver
>>> being used on the SAMA5D2 Xplained board? I tried looking at the
>>> schematic but it seems the CAN signals are used on an extension board
>>> which I can't find the schematic for. Also do you mind sharing your test
>>> setup? Were you doing a short point to point test?
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Franklin
>> Hello Franklin,
>>
>> your patch definitely makes sense.
>>
>> I forgot the TDC in my patches because it was not present in the
>> previous driver versions and because I didn't encounter any
>> problems when testing it myself.
>>
>> The error is highly dependent on the hardware (transceiver) setup.
>> So it is definitely possible that some people don't encounter errors
>> without your patch.
> 
> So the Transmission Delay Compensation feature Value register is suppose
> to take into consideration the transceiver delay automatically and add
> the value of TDCO on top of that. So why would TDCO be dependent on the
> transceiver? I've heard conflicting things regarding TDC so any
> clarification on what actually impacts it would be appreciated.
> 
> Also part of the issue I'm having is how can we properly configure TDCO?
> Configuring TDCO is essentially figuring out what Secondary Sample Point
> to use. However, it is unclear what value to set SSP to and which use
> cases a given SSP will work or doesn't work. I've seen various
> recommendations from Bosch on choosing SSP but ultimately it seems they
> suggestion "real world testing" to come up with a proper value. Not
> setting TDCO causes problems for my device and improperly setting TDCO
> causes problems for my device. So its likely any value I use could end
> up breaking something for someone else.
> 
> Currently I leaning to a DT property that can be used for setting SSP.
> Perhaps use a generic default value and allow individuals to override it
> via DT?

Sounds reasonable. What's the status of this series?

Marc

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