Message-ID: <20171031094727.cvipkxzo2zhrxst3@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:47:27 +0100
From:   Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:     "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@...temov.name>
Cc:     "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, x86@...nel.org,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...nvz.org>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...e.de>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Boot-time switching between 4- and 5-level paging
 for 4.15, Part 1


* Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill@...temov.name> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 09:37:52AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill@...temov.name> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 02:47:41PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Making a variable that 'looks' like a constant macro dynamic in a rare Kconfig 
> > > > > > > > > > scenario is asking for trouble.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > We expect boot-time page mode switching to be enabled in kernel of next
> > > > > > > > > generation enterprise distros. It shoudn't be that rare.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > My point remains even with not-so-rare Kconfig dependency.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I don't follow how introducing new variable that depends on Kconfig option
> > > > > > > would help with the situation.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A new, properly named variable or function (max_physmem_bits or 
> > > > > > max_physmem_bits()) that is not all uppercase would make it abundantly clear that 
> > > > > > it is not a constant but a runtime value.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Would we need to rename every uppercase macros that would depend on
> > > > > max_physmem_bits()? Like MAXMEM.
> > > > 
> > > > MAXMEM isn't used in too many places either - what's the total impact of it?
> > > 
> > > The impact is not very small. The tree of macros dependent on
> > > MAX_PHYSMEM_BITS:
> > > 
> > > MAX_PHYSMEM_BITS
> > >   MAXMEM
> > >     KEXEC_SOURCE_MEMORY_LIMIT
> > >     KEXEC_DESTINATION_MEMORY_LIMIT
> > >     KEXEC_CONTROL_MEMORY_LIMIT
> > >   SECTIONS_SHIFT
> > >     ZONEID_SHIFT
> > >       ZONEID_PGSHIFT
> > >       ZONEID_MASK
> > > 
> > > The total number of users of them is not large. It's doable. But I expect
> > > it to be somewhat ugly, since we're partly in generic code and it would
> > > require some kind of compatibility layer for other archtectures.
> > > 
> > > Do you want me to rename them all?
> > 
> > Yeah, I think these former constants should be organized better.
> > 
> > Here's their usage frequency:
> > 
> >  triton:~/tip> for N in MAX_PHYSMEM_BITS MAXMEM KEXEC_SOURCE_MEMORY_LIMIT \
> >  KEXEC_DESTINATION_MEMORY_LIMIT KEXEC_CONTROL_MEMORY_LIMIT SECTIONS_SHIFT \
> >  ZONEID_SHIFT ZONEID_PGSHIFT ZONEID_MASK; do printf "  %-40s: " $N; git grep -w $N  | grep -vE 'define| \* ' | wc -l; done
> > 
> >    MAX_PHYSMEM_BITS                        : 10
> >    MAXMEM                                  : 5
> >    KEXEC_SOURCE_MEMORY_LIMIT               : 2
> >    KEXEC_DESTINATION_MEMORY_LIMIT          : 2
> >    KEXEC_CONTROL_MEMORY_LIMIT              : 2
> >    SECTIONS_SHIFT                          : 2
> >    ZONEID_SHIFT                            : 1
> >    ZONEID_PGSHIFT                          : 1
> >    ZONEID_MASK                             : 1
> > 
> > So it's not too bad to clean up, I think.
> > 
> > How about something like this:
> > 
> > 	machine.physmem.max_bytes		/* ex MAXMEM */
> > 	machine.physmem.max_bits		/* bit count of the highest in-use physical address */
> > 	machine.physmem.zones.id_shift		/* ZONEID_SHIFT */
> > 	machine.physmem.zones.pg_shift		/* ZONEID_PGSHIFT */
> > 	machine.physmem.zones.id_mask		/* ZONEID_MASK */
> > 
> > 	machine.kexec.physmem_bytes_src		/* KEXEC_SOURCE_MEMORY_LIMIT */
> > 	machine.kexec.physmem_bytes_dst		/* KEXEC_DESTINATION_MEMORY_LIMIT */
> > 
> > ( With perhaps 'physmem' being an alias to '&machine->physmem', so that 
> >   physmem->max_bytes and physmem->max_bits would be a natural thing to write. )
> > 
> > I'd suggest doing this in a finegrained fashion, one step at a time, introducing 
> > 'struct machine' and 'struct physmem' and extending it gradually with new fields.
> 
> I don't think this design is reasonable.
> 
>   - It introduces memory references where we haven't had them before.
> 
>     At this point all variable would fit a cache line, which is not that
>     bad. But I don't see what would stop the list from growing in the
>     future.

Is any of these actually in a hotpath?

Also, note the context: your changes turn some of these into variables. Yes, I 
suggest structuring them all and turning them all into variables, exactly because 
the majority are now dynamic, yet their _naming_ suggests that they are constants.

>   - We loose ability to optimize out change with static branches
>     (cpu_feature_enabled() instead of pgtable_l5_enabled variable).
> 
>     It's probably, not that big of an issue here, but if we are going to
>     use the same approach for other dynamic macros in the patchset, it
>     might be.

Here too I think the (vast) majority of the uses here are for bootup/setup/init 
purposes, where clarity and maintainability of code matters a lot.

>   - AFAICS, it requires changes to all architectures to provide such
>     structures as we now partly in generic code.
> 
>     Or to introduce some kind of compatibility layer, but it would make
>     the kernel as a whole uglier than cleaner. Especially, given that
>     nobody beyond x86 need this.

Yes, all the uses should be harmonized (no compatibility layer) - but as you can 
see it from the histogram I generated it's a few dozen uses, i.e. not too bad.

Thanks,

	Ingo

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