linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] Improving udelay/ndelay on platforms where that is possible

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Message-ID: <20171116153625.GJ31757@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>
Date:   Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:36:25 +0000
From:   Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     Marc Gonzalez <marc_gonzalez@...madesigns.com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC] Improving udelay/ndelay on platforms where that is possible

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 04:26:51PM +0100, Marc Gonzalez wrote:
> On 15/11/2017 14:13, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> 
> > udelay() needs to offer a consistent interface so that drivers know
> > what to expect no matter what the implementation is.  Making one
> > implementation conform to your ideas while leaving the other
> > implementations with other expectations is a recipe for bugs.
> > 
> > If you really want to do this, fix the loops_per_jiffy implementation
> > as well so that the consistency is maintained.
> 
> Hello Russell,
> 
> It seems to me that, when using DFS, there's a serious issue with loop-based
> delays. (IIRC, it was you who pointed this out a few years ago.)
> 
> If I'm reading arch/arm/kernel/smp.c correctly, loops_per_jiffy is scaled
> when the frequency changes.
> 
> But arch/arm/lib/delay-loop.S starts by loading the current value of
> loops_per_jiffy, computes the number of times to loop, and then loops.
> If the frequency increases when the core is in __loop_delay, the
> delay will be much shorter than requested.
> 
> Is this a correct assessment of the situation?

Absolutely correct, and it's something that people are aware of, and
have already catered for while writing their drivers.

> (BTW, does arch/arm/lib/delay-loop.S load the per_cpu loops_per_jiffy
> or the system-wide variable?)
> 
> Should loop-based delays be disabled when CPUFREQ is enabled?

What about platforms (and there are those in the kernel today) which
have CPUFREQ enabled and also have no timer based delay registered?
These rely on using the delay loop mechanism today.

What this means is you can't just "turn off" loop-based delays just
because CPUFREQ is enabled, because that's going to cause regressions.

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