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Date:   Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:07:15 +0100
From:   Pierre Morel <pmorel@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:     Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Cornelia Huck <cohuck@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 00/19] KVM: s390/crypto/vfio: guest dedicated crypto
 adapters

On 17/11/2017 00:35, Tony Krowiak wrote:
> On 11/16/2017 03:25 PM, Pierre Morel wrote:
>> On 16/11/2017 18:03, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 17:06:58 +0100
>>> Pierre Morel <pmorel@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/11/2017 16:23, Tony Krowiak wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2017 08:57 AM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:39:09 -0400
>>>>>> Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/13/2017 01:38 PM, Tony Krowiak wrote:
>>>>>>> Ping
>>>>>>>> Tony Krowiak (19):
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: SIE considerations for AP Queue virtualization
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: refactor crypto initialization
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: new AP matrix bus
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: create an AP matrix device on the AP matrix bus
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: base implementation of AP matrix device driver
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: register matrix device with VFIO mediated device
>>>>>>>>        framework
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: introduce AP matrix configuration interface
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: support for assigning adapters to matrix mdev
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: validate adapter assignment
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: sysfs interfaces supporting AP domain assignment
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: validate domain assignment
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: sysfs support for control domain assignment
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: validate control domain assignment
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: Connect the AP mediated matrix device to KVM
>>>>>>>>      s390/zcrypt: introduce ioctl access to VFIO AP Matrix driver
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: interface to configure KVM guest's AP matrix
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: validate input to AP matrix config interface
>>>>>>>>      KVM: s390: New ioctl to configure KVM guest's AP matrix
>>>>>>>>      s390/facilities: enable AP facilities needed by guest
>>>>>> I think the approach is fine, and the code also looks fine for the 
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> part. Some comments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - various patches can be squashed together to give a better
>>>>>>     understanding at a glance
>>>>> Which patches would you squash?
>>>>>> - this needs documentation (as I already said)
>>>>> My plan is to take the cover letter patch and incorporate that into
>>>>> documentation,
>>>>> then replace the cover letter patch with a more concise summary.
>>>>>> - some of the driver/device modelling feels a bit awkward 
>>>>>> (commented in
>>>>>>     patches) -- I'm not sure that my proposal is better, but I 
>>>>>> think we
>>>>>>     should make sure the interdependencies are modeled correctly
>>>>> I am responding to each patch review individually.
>>>>
>>>> I think that instead of responding to each patch individually we should
>>>> have a discussion on the design because I think a lot could change and
>>>> discussing about each patch as they may be completely redesigned for 
>>>> the
>>>> next version may not be very useful.
> How do you suggest this discussion should be structured? Aren't the patches
> themselves an ultimate expression of the design? A lot could change, but
> can't those issues can be dealt with and discussed as we move forward?
> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I totally agree with Conny on that we should stabilize the
>>>> bus/device/driver modeling.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be here a good place to start the discussion on things
>>>> like we started to discuss, Harald and I, off-line:
>>>> - why a matrix bus, in which case we can avoid it
>>>
>>> I thought it had been agreed that we should be able to ditch it?
>>
>> I have not see any comment on the matrix bus.
> As stated in a previous email responding to Connie, I decided to scrap the
> AP matrix bus. There will only ever be one matrix device that serves two
> purposes: To hold the APQNs of the queue devices bound to the VFIO AP 
> matrix
> device driver; to serve as a parent of the mediated devices created for
> guests requiring access to the APQNs reserved for their use. So, instead
> of an AP matrix bus creating the matrix device, it will be created by the
> VFIO AP matrix driver in /sys/devices/ap_matrix/ during driver 
> initialization.

Sorry, I did not see the mail, this of course change a lot of things...

>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - which kind of devices we need
>>>
>>> What is still unclear? Which card generations to support?
>>
>> No, I mean the relation bus/device/driver/mdev...
> I think that is pretty well spelled out in the cover letter
> patch and in the descriptions of the patches themselves. What is it
> you don't understand?

If we have no matrix bus anymore I prefer to wait for the cover letter 
of V2 to discuss this.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - how to handle the repartition of queues on boot, reset and hotplug
> What do you mean by repartition of queues on boot?
>>>
>>> That's something I'd like to see a writeup for.
>>
>> yes, and it may have an influence on the bus/device/driver/mdev design
> I don't understand the need to avoid implementation details. If you recall,
> the original design was modeled on AP queue devices. It was only after
> implementing that design that the shortcomings were revealed which is
> why we decided to base the model on the AP matrix. Keep in mind, this is
> an RFC, not a final patch set. I would expect some change from the
> implementation herein. In fact, I've already made many changes based on
> Connie's and Christian's review comments, none of which resulted in an
> overhaul of the design.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - interaction with the host drivers
>>>
>>> The driver model should already handle that, no?
>>
>> yes it should, but it is not clear for me.
> What is it that is not clear? This cover letter seeks to describe the
> patch set, so why not annotate those areas that are not clear? I'm don't
> understand what it is you are expecting. I thought the purpose of
> submitting these patches here was to generate discussion.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - validation of the matrix for guests and host views
>>>
>>> I saw validation code in the patches, although I have not reviewed it.
> Patches 9, 11, and 13 validate the adapters, domains and control domains
> configured for the mdev matrix device and patch 17 verifies that the
> KVM guest's matrix does not define any APQNs in use by other guests.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> or even features we need to add like
>>>> - interruptions
>>>
>>> My understanding is that interrupts are optional so they can be left
>>> out in the first shot. With the gisa (that has not yet been posted), it
>>> should not be too difficult, no?
>>
>> you are right I forgot that it is optional
> If the facilities bit (STFLE.65) indicating interrupts are available is not
> set for the guest, then the AP bus running on the guest will poll and
> interrupts will not have to be handled. This patch set does not enable
> interrupts, so it is not relevant at this time. We will not be able to
> handle interrupts for the guest until the GISA for passthrough patches
> are available. This will be addressed at that time.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - PAPQ/TAPQ-t and APQI interception
>>>
>>> I can't say anything about that, as this is not documented :(
>>
>> Right we can live without these too.
> I have implemented interception of the PQAP(TAPQ) instruction and will
> include it in the next set of patches. It was not documented here
> because this patch set was submitted as an RFC for the purpose of
> determining if we are on the right track with regard to the overall
> AP matrix design. >>
>>
>>>
>>>> - virtualization of the AP
>>>
>>> Is this really needed? It would complicate everything a lot.
>>
>> Concern has no sens without interception.
> Virtualization of AP is not on the table right now.

If we implement interception, we must speak about this, even to say how 
we do not implement virtualization.

>>
>>>
>>>> - CPU model and KVM capabilities
>>>
>>> That already has been discussed with the individual patches.
>>
>> Well, if there are no interceptions the individual patches discussions 
>> are enough.
> As I stated above, these patches were submitted as an RFC for the 
> purpose of
> getting a stamp of approval for the general design. Additional functions 
> such as
> hot plug and interception will be introduced in phases in the near 
> future. As
> I stated above, I already have the implementation of PQAP(TAPQ) and will 
> include
> it in the next submission. It does not change the general design one iota.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my understanding these points must be cleared before we really start
>>>> to discuss the details of the implementation.
>>>
>>> The general design already looks fine to me. Do you really expect that
>>> a major redesign is needed?
> I thought the point of submitting this RFC was to get a sanity check of the
> design concepts. According to Christian, he discussed the design with
> several maintainers at the KVM forum and they agreed this design was sane.
>>>
>>
>> I am worry about the following:
>> - Will the matrix bus be accepted
> I am eliminating the matrix bus - based on comments made by Connie for an
> individual patch - so no need to worry;-)
>>
>> - What happens on host reset and hot plug/unplug in host
> TBD, but I don't anticipate a major overhaul of the design to accommodate
> these eventualities, particularly hot plug which I considered while
> creating this design.
>>
>> - What happens with the queues on guest start/halt/restart
> TBD

AFAIU These two points are crucials for device driver design.

Pierre

>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
> 


-- 
Pierre Morel
Linux/KVM/QEMU in Böblingen - Germany

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