linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector

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Message-ID: <20171122181028.GM2482@two.firstfloor.org>
Date:   Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:10:29 -0800
From:   Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
To:     Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Dave Watson <davejwatson@...com>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-api <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Russell King <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Andrew Hunter <ahh@...gle.com>,
        Chris Lameter <cl@...ux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@...com>,
        rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
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        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op
 vector

> > If anyone ever reports that as a problem, I'll gladly fix it in the
> > kernel.  That's doable without an ABI change.  If rseq-like things
> > started breaking single-stepping, we can't just fix it in the kernel.

AFAIK nobody ever complained about it since we have vsyscalls and vDSOs.

> 
> Very true. And rseq does break both line-level and instruction-level
> single-stepping.

They can just set a break point after it and continue.

In fact it could be even expressed to the debugger to do
that automatically based on some dwarf extension.

I also disagree that opv somehow "solves" debugging: it's a completely
different code path that has nothing to do with the original code path.
That's not debugging, that's at best a workaround. I don't think it's
any better than the break point method.

-Andi