linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH v3 2/2] Protected O_CREAT open in sticky directories

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Message-ID: <d1ffc1cd48b545ebb81a7f682fde9f1d@AcuMS.aculab.com>
Date:   Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:53:01 +0000
From:   David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
To:     'Salvatore Mesoraca' <s.mesoraca16@...il.com>
CC:     Alan Cox <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        "linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        "Solar Designer" <solar@...nwall.com>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 2/2] Protected O_CREAT open in sticky directories

From: Salvatore Mesoraca [mailto:s.mesoraca16@...il.com]
> Sent: 24 November 2017 11:44
> 
> 2017-11-24 11:53 GMT+01:00 David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>:
> > From: Alan Cox
> >> Sent: 22 November 2017 16:52
> >>
> >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:01:46 +0100
> >> Salvatore Mesoraca <s.mesoraca16@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Disallows O_CREAT open missing the O_EXCL flag, in world or
> >> > group writable directories, even if the file doesn't exist yet.
> >> > With few exceptions (e.g. shared lock files based on flock())
> >>
> >> Enough exceptions to make it a bad idea.
> >>
> >> Firstly if you care this much *stop* having shared writable directories.
> >> We have namespaces, you don't need them. You can give every user their
> >> own /tmp etc.
> >
> > Looks like a very bad idea to me as well.
> >
> > Doesn't this stop all shell redirects into a shared /tmp ?
> > I'm pretty sure most programs use O_CREAT | O_TRUNC for output
> > files - they'll all stop working.
> 
> If some program does such a thing, that's a potential vulnerability.
> With "protected_hardlinks" you are, in most cases, safe.
> But, still, that program has a bug and having this feature enabled will
> help you notice it soon.
> For that matter, I'm using this patch on my system and I don't have any
> program behaving like this.

Hmmm.... a quick strace shows cp and vi doing stat("/tmp/foo") and then
open(O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC) if it exists and O_CREATE|O_EXCL if it doesn't.
I can't help feeling that is just hiding a race.

	David