linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RT] arm*: disable NEON in kernel mode

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Message-ID: <20171201143648.GK1612@linutronix.de>
Date:   Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:36:48 +0100
From:   Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>
To:     Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
Cc:     linux-rt-users@...r.kernel.org,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        tglx@...utronix.de, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RT] arm*: disable NEON in kernel mode

On 2017-12-01 14:18:28 [+0000], Mark Rutland wrote:
> [Adding Ard, who wrote the NEON crypto code]
> 
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 02:45:06PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > +arm folks, to let you know
> > 
> > On 2017-12-01 11:43:32 [+0100], To linux-rt-users@...r.kernel.org wrote:
> > > NEON in kernel mode is used by the crypto algorithms and raid6 code.
> > > While the raid6 code looks okay, the crypto algorithms do not: NEON
> > > is enabled on first invocation and may allocate/free/map memory before
> > > the NEON mode is disabled again.
> 
> Could you elaborate on why this is a problem?
> 
> I guess this is because kernel_neon_{begin,end}() disable preemption?
> 
> ... is this specific to RT?

It is RT specific, yes. One thing are the unbounded latencies since
everything in this preempt_disable section can take time depending on
the size of the request.
The other thing is code like in
  arch/arm64/crypto/aes-ce-ccm-glue.c:ccm_encrypt()

where within this preempt_disable() section skcipher_walk_done() is
invoked. That function can allocate/free/map memory which is okay for
!RT but is not for RT. I tried to break those loops for x86 [0] and I
simply didn't had the time to do the same for ARM. I am aware that
store/restore of the NEON registers (as SSE and AVX) is expensive and
doing a lot of operations in one go is desired. So for x86 I would want
to do some benchmarks and come up with some numbers based on which I
can argue with people one way or another depending on how much it hurts
and how long preemption can be disabled.

[0] https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2663115.html

> Thanks,
> Mark.

Sebastian