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Date:   Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:24:49 +0200
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...nel.org,
        jiangshanlai@...il.com, dipankar@...ibm.com,
        akpm@...ux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com,
        josh@...htriplett.org, tglx@...utronix.de, rostedt@...dmis.org,
        dhowells@...hat.com, edumazet@...gle.com, fweisbec@...il.com,
        oleg@...hat.com, Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/21] drivers/vhost: Remove now-redundant
 read_barrier_depends()

On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:08:01PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:51:48PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:33:39AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:24:21PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> [ . . . ]
> 
> > > > and this barrier is no longer paired with anything until
> > > > you realize there's a dependency barrier within READ_ONCE.
> > > > 
> > > > Barrier pairing was a useful tool to check code validity,
> > > > maybe there are other, better tools now.
> > > 
> > > There are quite a few people who say that smp_store_release() is
> > > easier for the tools to analyze than is smp_wmb().  My experience with
> > > smp_read_barrier_depends() and rcu_dereference() leads me to believe
> > > that they are correct.
> > 
> > OK, but smp_store_release is still not paired with anything since we
> > rely on READ_ONCE to include the implicit dpendendency barrier.
> 
> Why wouldn't you consider the smp_store_release() to be paired with
> the new improved READ_ONCE()?
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul

READ_ONCE is really all over the place (some code literally replaced all
memory accesses with READ/WRITE ONCE).

And I also prefer smp_wmb as it seems to be cheaper on ARM.

Would an API like WRITE_POINTER()/smp_store_pointer make sense,
and READ_POINTER for symmetry?

-- 
MST

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