Message-ID: <1b8709aa-2a08-8cde-13c7-79bb93c791c6@redhat.com>
Date:   Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:50:44 -0500
From:   Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@...hat.com>
To:     Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>,
        yangjihong <yangjihong1@...wei.com>,
        Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>,
        "paul@...l-moore.com" <paul@...l-moore.com>,
        "eparis@...isplace.org" <eparis@...isplace.org>,
        "selinux@...ho.nsa.gov" <selinux@...ho.nsa.gov>,
        Lukas Vrabec <lvrabec@...hat.com>,
        Petr Lautrbach <plautrba@...hat.com>
Cc:     "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG]kernel softlockup due to sidtab_search_context run for long
 time because of too many sidtab context node

On 12/15/2017 08:56 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-15 at 03:09 +0000, yangjihong wrote:
>> On 12/15/2017 10:31 PM, yangjihong wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2017 12:42 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>>>> On 12/14/2017 9:15 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 09:00 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/14/2017 8:42 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 08:18 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2017 7:18 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 09:25 +0000, yangjihong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am doing stressing testing on 3.10 kernel(centos
>>>>>>>>>> 7.4), to
>>>>>>>>>> constantly starting numbers of docker ontainers with
>>>>>>>>>> selinux
>>>>>>>>>> enabled, and after about 2 days, the kernel
>>>>>>>>>> softlockup panic:
>>>>>>>>>>    <IRQ>  [<ffffffff810bb778>]
>>>>>>>>>> sched_show_task+0xb8/0x120
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff8116133f>] show_lock_info+0x20f/0x3a0
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff811226aa>] watchdog_timer_fn+0x1da/0x2f0
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff811224d0>] ?
>>>>>>>>>> watchdog_enable_all_cpus.part.4+0x40/0x40
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff810abf82>]
>>>>>>>>>> __hrtimer_run_queues+0xd2/0x260
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff810ac520>] hrtimer_interrupt+0xb0/0x1e0
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff8104a477>]
>>>>>>>>>> local_apic_timer_interrupt+0x37/0x60
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff8166fd90>]
>>>>>>>>>> smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x50/0x140
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff8166e1dd>] apic_timer_interrupt+0x6d/0x80
>>>>>>>>>>    <EOI>  [<ffffffff812b4193>] ?
>>>>>>>>>> sidtab_context_to_sid+0xb3/0x480
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812b41f0>] ?
>>>>>>>>>> sidtab_context_to_sid+0x110/0x480
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812c0d15>] ?
>>>>>>>>>> mls_setup_user_range+0x145/0x250
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812bd477>]
>>>>>>>>>> security_get_user_sids+0x3f7/0x550
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812b1a8b>] sel_write_user+0x12b/0x210
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812b1960>] ? sel_write_member+0x200/0x200
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff812b01d8>]
>>>>>>>>>> selinux_transaction_write+0x48/0x80
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff811f444d>] vfs_write+0xbd/0x1e0
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff811f4eef>] SyS_write+0x7f/0xe0
>>>>>>>>>>    [<ffffffff8166d433>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My opinion:
>>>>>>>>>> when the docker container starts, it would mount
>>>>>>>>>> overlay
>>>>>>>>>> filesystem with different selinux context, mount
>>>>>>>>>> point such as:
>>>>>>>>>> overlay on
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/overlay2/be3ef517730d92fc4530e0e952ea
>>>>>>>>>> e4f6cb0f
>>>>>>>>>> 07b4
>>>>>>>>>> bc32
>>>>>>>>>> 6cb07495ca08fc9ddb66/merged type overlay
>>>>>>>>>> (rw,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:svirt_sandbox
>>>>>>>>>> _file_t:
>>>>>>>>>> s0:c
>>>>>>>>>> 414,
>>>>>>>>>> c873",lowerdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/Z4U7WY6ASNV
>>>>>>>>>> 5CFWLADP
>>>>>>>>>> ARHH
>>>>>>>>>> WY7:
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/V2S3HOKEFEOQLHBVAL5WLA3YLS
>>>>>>>>>> :/var/li
>>>>>>>>>> b/do
>>>>>>>>>> cker
>>>>>>>>>> /overlay2/l/46YGYO474KLOULZGDSZDW2JPRI,upperdir=/var/
>>>>>>>>>> lib/dock
>>>>>>>>>> er/o
>>>>>>>>>> verl
>>>>>>>>>> ay2/be3ef517730d92fc4530e0e952eae4f6cb0f07b4bc326cb07
>>>>>>>>>> 495ca08f
>>>>>>>>>> c9dd
>>>>>>>>>> b66/
>>>>>>>>>> diff,workdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/be3ef517730d92f
>>>>>>>>>> c4530e0e
>>>>>>>>>> 952e
>>>>>>>>>> ae4f
>>>>>>>>>> 6cb0f07b4bc326cb07495ca08fc9ddb66/work)
>>>>>>>>>> shm on
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/containers/9fd65e177d2132011d7b422755
>>>>>>>>>> 793449c9
>>>>>>>>>> 1327
>>>>>>>>>> ca57
>>>>>>>>>> 7b8f5d9d6a4adf218d4876/shm type tmpfs
>>>>>>>>>> (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,context="system_u:ob
>>>>>>>>>> ject_r:s
>>>>>>>>>> virt
>>>>>>>>>> _san
>>>>>>>>>> dbox_file_t:s0:c414,c873",size=65536k)
>>>>>>>>>> overlay on
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/overlay2/38d1544d080145c7d76150530d02
>>>>>>>>>> 55991dfb
>>>>>>>>>> 7258
>>>>>>>>>> cbca
>>>>>>>>>> 14ff6d165b94353eefab/merged type overlay
>>>>>>>>>> (rw,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:svirt_sandbox
>>>>>>>>>> _file_t:
>>>>>>>>>> s0:c
>>>>>>>>>> 431,
>>>>>>>>>> c651",lowerdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/3MQQXB4UCLF
>>>>>>>>>> B7ANVRHP
>>>>>>>>>> AVRC
>>>>>>>>>> RSS:
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/46YGYO474KLOULZGDSZDW2JPRI
>>>>>>>>>> ,upperdi
>>>>>>>>>> r=/v
>>>>>>>>>> ar/l
>>>>>>>>>> ib/docker/overlay2/38d1544d080145c7d76150530d0255991d
>>>>>>>>>> fb7258cb
>>>>>>>>>> ca14
>>>>>>>>>> ff6d
>>>>>>>>>> 165b94353eefab/diff,workdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/
>>>>>>>>>> 38d1544d
>>>>>>>>>> 0801
>>>>>>>>>> 45c7
>>>>>>>>>> d76150530d0255991dfb7258cbca14ff6d165b94353eefab/work
>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>> shm on
>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/docker/containers/662e7f798fc08b09eae0f0f944
>>>>>>>>>> 537a4bce
>>>>>>>>>> dc1d
>>>>>>>>>> cf05
>>>>>>>>>> a65866458523ffd4a71614/shm type tmpfs
>>>>>>>>>> (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,context="system_u:ob
>>>>>>>>>> ject_r:s
>>>>>>>>>> virt
>>>>>>>>>> _san
>>>>>>>>>> dbox_file_t:s0:c431,c651",size=65536k)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sidtab_search_context check the context whether is in
>>>>>>>>>> the sidtab
>>>>>>>>>> list, If not found, a new node is generated and
>>>>>>>>>> insert into the
>>>>>>>>>> list, As the number of containers is
>>>>>>>>>> increasing,  context nodes
>>>>>>>>>> are also more and more, we tested the final number of
>>>>>>>>>> nodes
>>>>>>>>>> reached
>>>>>>>>>> 300,000 +,
>>>>>>>>>> sidtab_context_to_sid runtime needs 100-200ms, which
>>>>>>>>>> will lead
>>>>>>>>>> to the system softlockup.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this a selinux bug? When filesystem umount, why
>>>>>>>>>> context node
>>>>>>>>>> is not deleted?  I cannot find the relevant function
>>>>>>>>>> to delete
>>>>>>>>>> the node in sidtab.c
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading and looking forward to your reply.
>>>>>>>>> So, does docker just keep allocating a unique category
>>>>>>>>> set for
>>>>>>>>> every new container, never reusing them even if the
>>>>>>>>> container is
>>>>>>>>> destroyed?
>>>>>>>>> That would be a bug in docker IMHO.  Or are you
>>>>>>>>> creating an
>>>>>>>>> unbounded number of containers and never destroying the
>>>>>>>>> older
>>>>>>>>> ones?
>>>>>>>> You can't reuse the security context. A process in
>>>>>>>> ContainerA
>>>>>>>> sends a labeled packet to MachineB. ContainerA goes away
>>>>>>>> and its
>>>>>>>> context is recycled in ContainerC. MachineB responds some
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> later, again with a labeled packet. ContainerC gets
>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>> intended for ContainerA, and uses the information to take
>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>> Elbonian government.
>>>>>>> Docker isn't using labeled networking (nor is anything else
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> default; it is only enabled if explicitly configured).
>>>>>> If labeled networking weren't an issue we'd have full
>>>>>> security
>>>>>> module stacking by now. Yes, it's an edge case. If you want
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> labeled NFS or a local filesystem that gets mounted in each
>>>>>> container (don't tell me that nobody would do that) you've
>>>>>> got the
>>>>>> same problem.
>>>>> Even if someone were to configure labeled networking, Docker is
>>>>> not
>>>>> presently relying on that or SELinux network enforcement for
>>>>> any
>>>>> security properties, so it really doesn't matter.
>>>> True enough. I can imagine a use case, but as you point out, it
>>>> would
>>>> be a very complex configuration and coordination exercise using
>>>> SELinux.
>>>>
>>>>> And if they wanted
>>>>> to do that, they'd have to coordinate category assignments
>>>>> across all
>>>>> systems involved, for which no facility exists AFAIK.  If you
>>>>> have
>>>>> two docker instances running on different hosts, I'd wager that
>>>>> they
>>>>> can hand out the same category sets today to different
>>>>> containers.
>>>>>
>>>>> With respect to labeled NFS, that's also not the default for
>>>>> nfs
>>>>> mounts, so again it is a custom configuration and Docker isn't
>>>>> relying on it for any guarantees today.  For local filesystems,
>>>>> they
>>>>> would normally be context-mounted or using genfscon rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> xattrs in order to be accessible to the container, thus no
>>>>> persistent
>>>>> storage of the category sets.
>>> Well Kubernetes and OpenShift do set the labels to be the same
>>> within a project, and they can manage across nodes.  But yes we are
>>> not using labeled networking at this point.
>>>> I know that is the intended configuration, but I see people do
>>>> all
>>>> sorts of stoopid things for what they believe are good reasons.
>>>> Unfortunately, lots of people count on containers to provide
>>>> isolation, but create "solutions" for data sharing that defeat
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly docker could provide an option to not reuse category
>>>>> sets,
>>>>> but making that the default is not sane and just guarantees
>>>>> exhaustion of the SID and context space (just create and tear
>>>>> down
>>>>> lots of containers every day or more frequently).
>>>> It seems that Docker might have a similar issue with UIDs, but
>>>> it
>>>> takes longer to run out of UIDs than sidtab entries.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the selinux userspace side, we'd also like to
>>>>>>>>> eliminate the
>>>>>>>>> use of /sys/fs/selinux/user (sel_write_user ->
>>>>>>>>> security_get_user_sids) entirely, which is what
>>>>>>>>> triggered this
>>>>>>>>> for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We cannot currently delete a sidtab node because we
>>>>>>>>> have no way
>>>>>>>>> of knowing if there are any lingering references to the
>>>>>>>>> SID.
>>>>>>>>> Fixing that would require reference-counted SIDs, which
>>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>> beyond just SELinux since SIDs/secids are returned by
>>>>>>>>> LSM hooks
>>>>>>>>> and cached in other kernel data structures.
>>>>>>>> You could delete a sidtab node. The code already deals
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> unfindable SIDs. The issue is that eventually you run out
>>>>>>>> of SIDs.
>>>>>>>> Then you are forced to recycle SIDs, which leads to the
>>>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>>>> of the Elbonian government.
>>>>>>> We don't know when we can safely delete a sidtab node since
>>>>>>> SIDs
>>>>>>> aren't reference counted and we can't know whether it is
>>>>>>> still in
>>>>>>> use somewhere in the kernel.  Doing so prematurely would
>>>>>>> lead to
>>>>>>> the SID being remapped to the unlabeled context, and then
>>>>>>> likely to
>>>>>>> undesired denials.
>>>>>> I would suggest that if you delete a sidtab node and someone
>>>>>> comes
>>>>>> along later and tries to use it that denial is exactly what
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> would desire. I don't see any other rational action.
>>>>> Yes, if we know that the SID wasn't in use at the time we tore
>>>>> it down.
>>>>>    But if we're just randomly deleting sidtab entries based on
>>>>> age or
>>>>> something (since we have no reference count), we'll almost
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> encounter situations where a SID hasn't been accessed in a long
>>>>> time
>>>>> but is still being legitimately cached somewhere.  Just a file
>>>>> that
>>>>> hasn't been accessed in a while might have that SID still
>>>>> cached in
>>>>> its inode security blob, or anywhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sidtab_search_context() could no doubt be optimized for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> negative case; there was an earlier optimization for
>>>>>>>>> the positive
>>>>>>>>> case by adding a cache to sidtab_context_to_sid() prior
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> calling it.  It's a reverse lookup in the sidtab.
>>>>>>>> This seems like a bad idea.
>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean, but it can certainly be changed to
>>>>>>> at least
>>>>>>> use a hash table for these reverse lookups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> Thanks for reply and discussion.
>> I think docker container is only a case, Is it possible there is a
>> similar way, through some means of attack, triggered a constantly
>> increasing of  SIDs list, eventually leading to the system panic?
>>
>> I think the issue is that is takes too long to search SID node when
>> SIDs list too large,
>> If can optimize the node's data structure(ie : tree structure) or
>> search algorithm to ensure that traversing all nodes can be very
>> short time even in many nodes, maybe it can solve the problem.
>> Or, in sidtab.c provides "delete_sidtab_node" interface, when umount
>> fs, delete the SID node. Because when fs is umounted, the SID is
>> useless, could delete it to control the size of SIDs list.
>>
>> Thanks for reading and looking forward to your reply.
> We cannot safely delete entries in the sidtab without first adding
> reference counting of SIDs, which goes beyond just SELinux since they
> are cached in other kernel data structures and returned by LSM hooks.
> That's a non-trivial undertaking.
>
> Far more practical in the near term would be to introduce a hash table
> or other mechanism for efficient reverse lookups in the sidtab.  Are
> you offering to implement that or just requesting it?
>
> Independent of that, docker should support reuse of category sets when
> containers are deleted, at least as an option and probably as the
> default.
>
>
Docker does reuse categories of containers that are removed, by default.

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