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Date:   Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:31:00 +0000
From:   Patrick Bellasi <>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <>
Cc:     Viresh Kumar <>,
        Rafael Wysocki <>,
        Ingo Molnar <>,,
        Vincent Guittot <>,,,,,,
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] sched: cpufreq: Keep track of cpufreq utilization
 update flags

On 20-Dec 14:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:55:46PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > On 20-Dec 09:31, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > Didn't juri have patches to make DL do something sane? But yes, I think
> > > those flags are part of the problem.
> > 
> > He recently reposted them here:
> > 
> >
> Yeah, just found them and actually munged them into my queue; did all
> the modifications you suggested too. Lets see if it comes apart.
> > > > - From the utilization handler, we check runqueues of all three sched
> > > >   classes to see if they have some work pending (this can be done
> > > >   smartly by checking only RT first and skipping other checks if RT
> > > >   has some work).
> > > 
> > > No that's wrong. DL should provide a minimum required based on existing
> > > reservations, we can add the expected CFS average on top and request
> > > that.
> > > 
> > > And for RT all we need to know is if current is of that class, otherwise
> > > we don't care.
> > 
> > So, this:
> > 
> >
> Right, I was actually looking for those patches, but I'm searching
> backwards and hit upon Juri's patches first.
> > was actually going in this direction, although still working on top of
> > flags to not change the existing interface too much.
> > 
> > IMO, the advantage of flags is that they are a sort-of "pro-active"
> > approach, where the scheduler notify sensible events to schedutil.
> > But keep adding flags seems to overkilling to me too.
> > 
> > If we remove flags then we have to query the scheduler classes "on
> > demand"... but, as Peter suggests, once we have DL bits Juri posted,
> > the only issue if to know if an RT task is running.
> > This the patch above can be just good enough, with no flags at all and
> > with just a check for current being RT (or DL for the time being).
> Well, we still need flags for crap like IO-WAIT IIRC. That's sugov
> internal state and not something the scheduler actually already knows.

Right, that flag is set from:


for the current task, which is going to be dequeued soon.

Once it wakes up the next time, at enqueue time we trigger a boosting
by passing schedutil that flag.

Thus, unless we are happy to delay the boosting until the task is
actually picked for execution (don't think so), then we need to keep
the flag and signal schedutil at enqueue time.

However, was wondering one thing: should't we already have a vruntime
bonus for IO sleeping tasks? Because in that case, the task is likely
to be on CPU quite soon... and thus, perhaps by removing the flag and
moving the schedutil notification into core.c at the end of
__schedule() should be working to detect both RT and FAIR::IOWAIT
boosted tasks.

... to easy to be possible, should be missing something...

> But let me continue searching for patches..
> Ooh, I found patches from Brendan... should be very close to yours

Not sure... AFAIR those patches are for the PELT update of NO_HZ idle
CPUs. Their are a "tandem" solution between Brendan and Vincent.

They fix a really important issue... but it's not the same addressed
by this patchset or the one I've posted before.

> though, going by that msgid you posted on Nov 30th and I'm now on Dec
> 1st, soooon... :-)

#include <best/regards.h>

Patrick Bellasi

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