linux-kernel - Re: Proposal: CAP_PAYLOAD to reduce Meltdown and Spectre mitigation costs

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Message-Id: <341211515328469@web54o.yandex.ru>
Date:   Sun, 07 Jan 2018 15:34:29 +0300
From:   Ozgur <ozgur@...sey.org>
To:     Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>, Avi Kivity <avi@...lladb.com>
Cc:     Alan Cox <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: CAP_PAYLOAD to reduce Meltdown and Spectre mitigation costs



07.01.2018, 15:29, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>:
> On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 11:16:28AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>  I think capabilities will work just as well with cgroups. The container
>>  manager will set CAP_PAYLOAD to payload containers; and if those run an init
>>  system or a container manager themselves, they'll drop CAP_PAYLOAD for all
>>  process/sub-containers but their payloads.
>
> The reason why cgroups are better is Spectre can be used to steal
> information from within the same privilege level --- e.g., you could
> use Javascript to steal a user's Coindesk credentials or Lastpass
> data, which is going to be *way* more lucrative than trying to mine
> cryptocurrency in the sly in a user's browser. :-)

I think the web coin mining pages also work with this method they probably use JS in the background but currently, impossible to do kernel-level operations.
All process start on the browser level and Spectre not read kernel memory, right?

Ozgur

> As a result, you probably want Spectre mitigations to be enabled in a
> root process --- which means capabilities aren't the right answer.
>
> Regards,
>
>                                                 - Ted