linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 08/19] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE in get

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Message-ID: <CAPcyv4jVtGCmCdpE_coHYYhCqArFozsq=oX+AdtH2Ems7biPFg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:14:29 -0800
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com,
        "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Alan Cox <alan@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/19] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE
 in get_user paths

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 5:11 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> This patch doesn't affect arch/x86/lib/getuser.S, which I find surprising.
>
> Of all the user access functions, I actually think that get_user() is
> the one most likely to have the result then used speculatively as an
> index (the required second dependent read to actually leak data).
>
> I do *not* see people doing "copy_from_user()" and then somehow using
> the thing as an index to another array. I mean, it can happen (copy a
> structure, use a member in that structure), but it doesn't seem to be
> the most likely thing.
>
> The most likely thing would seem to be some random ioctl() do a
> "get_user()" to get an index, and then using that index. That would
> seem to be one of the easier ways to perhaps get that kind of kernel
> spectre attack.
>
> Adding the ASM_IFENCE to __get_user_X() in arch/x86/lib/getuser.S
> would seem to go naturally together with the copy_user_64.S changes in
> this patch.
>
> Is there some reason __get_user_X() was overlooked? Those are _the_
> most common user accessor functions that do the address limit
> checking.

Oversight, I was focused on the uaccess_begin conversions. Yes, let me
go add ASM_IFENCE after the ASM_STAC in those paths.