linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 06/19] drm/blend: Add a generic alpha property

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Message-ID: <20180117093002.GK2759@phenom.ffwll.local>
Date:   Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:30:02 +0100
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
To:     Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>
Cc:     Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>,
        Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@...e.org>,
        Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...el.com>,
        Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@...ux.intel.com>,
        Sean Paul <seanpaul@...omium.org>,
        Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@...e-electrons.com>,
        Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        dri-devel <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        thomas@...sch.nl
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/19] drm/blend: Add a generic alpha property

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:20:24AM +0100, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 08:34:58PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > Hi Daniel,
> > 
> > On Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:36:10 EET Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 03:28:34PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 02:53:22PM +0100, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:32:41PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 11:56:25AM +0100, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> > > >>>>> Some drivers duplicate the logic to create a property to store a
> > > >>>>> per-plane alpha.
> > > >>>>> 
> > > >>>>> Let's create a helper in order to move that to the core.
> > > >>>>> 
> > > >>>>> Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...e-electrons.com>
> > > >>>>> Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
> > > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Do we have userspace for this?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Wayland seems to be on its way to implement this, with ChromeOS using
> > > >>> it:
> > > >>> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2017-August/034741
> > > >>> .html
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> and more specifically:
> > > >>> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/third_party/way
> > > >>> land-protocols/unstable/alpha-compositing/alpha-compositing-unstable-v1
> > > >>> .xml#118
> > > >> 
> > > >> Yay, would be good to include these links in the patch description.
> > > >> Really happy we're having a real standard now used by multiple people.
> > > > 
> > > > I will.
> > > > 
> > > >> > > Is encoding a fixed 0-255 range really the best idea?
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > I don't really know, is there hardware or formats where there is more
> > > >> > than 255? Or did you mean less than that?
> > > >> 
> > > >> 30bit I'd assume wants more alpha. In the past we've done some
> > > >> fixed-point stuff (e.g. for LUT), using the 0.0-1.0 float range. Using
> > > >> that for the blend equation docs is also what I recommend (and that we
> > > >> map from 0-255 to 0.0-1.0 logically). Ofc the hw might not do any of that
> > > >> ... I think 0.16 fixed point, stored in a u16 is probably best. That's
> > > >> what we're doing for gamma tables already, and that way drivers can
> > > >> simply throw away the lower bits.
> > > > 
> > > > But that would also break the two users of that property that won't be
> > > > able to move to the generic property (with the same name) without
> > > > breaking userspace. The point of that patch was to allow some code
> > > > consolidation, and that would mean failing to do so here :/
> > > 
> > > Let me try to clarify:
> > > - We'll keep the exact existing property semantics with the 0-255
> > > range for the userspace visible property.
> > > 
> > > - But internally, in the decode value that we store into
> > > drm_plane_state, we'll do the slightly more future proof thing with a
> > > few more bits.
> > > 
> > > That gives us the option of exposing those bits in the future without
> > > having to change all the drivers again (which we have to do for this
> > > series here already anyway, since the decoded value moves into
> > > drm_plane_state from driver subclasses).
> > > 
> > > Definitely not asking to break userspace here :-)
> > 
> > As the property range is available to userspace, we could allow drivers to 
> > expose a driver-dependent number of bits for the alpha value without breaking 
> > anything. We can even require new drivers to expose 16 bits regardless of the 
> > number of bits that the hardware can handle, or we could keep that driver-
> > specific.
> > 
> > Please note, however, that U0.16 can only represent [0.0, 0.999984741...] 
> > while we need [0.0, 1.0]. As all the hardware I know map the full range of 
> > values ([0, 255] for 8-bit for instance) to [0.0, 1.0] I wouldn't pretend that 
> > the 16-bit value exposed to userspace is U0.16.
> 
> So this would involve not changing too much the current patch, but
> instead extending the type from an u8 to an u16. Would that work for
> you Daniel?

Yeah, Laurent's clarification is what I've meant ... And hopefully it's
enough future-proofing that we don't need to redo this all again.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch