linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation

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Message-ID: <1517908488.31953.198.camel@infradead.org>
Date:   Tue, 06 Feb 2018 09:14:48 +0000
From:   David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>
To:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
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        KarimAllah Ahmed <karahmed@...zon.de>,
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        Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
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        Borislav Petkov <bp@...e.de>,
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        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict
 Indirect Branch Speculation



On Sun, 2018-02-04 at 19:43 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Yet another possibility is to avoid the function entry and accouting magic
> and use the generic gcc return thunk:
> 
> __x86_return_thunk:
>         call L2
> L1:
>         pause
>         lfence
>         jmp L1
> L2:
>         lea 8(%rsp), %rsp|lea 4(%esp), %esp
>         ret
> 
> which basically refills the RSB on every return. That can be inline or
> extern, but in both cases we should be able to patch it out.
> 
> I have no idea how that affects performance, but it might be worthwhile to
> experiment with that.

That was what I had in mind when I asked HJ to add -mfunction-return.

I suspect the performance hit would be significant because it would
cause a prediction miss on *every* return.

But as I said, let's implement what we can without IBRS for Skylake,
then we can compare the two options for performance, security coverage
and general fugliness.
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