Message-ID: <CALvZod7FTNzoGfGnaorqjk4KEsxJFdz1pApHi04P1cF10ejxpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:20:00 -0800
From:   Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>
To:     Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com>
Cc:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Yang Shi <yang.s@...baba-inc.com>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, linux-api@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fs: fsnotify: account fsnotify metadata to kmemcg

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:20 PM, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a nicer alternative, instead of failing the file access,
>>>>>> an overflow event can be queued. I sent a patch for that and Jan
>>>>>> agreed to the concept, but thought we should let user opt-in for this
>>>>>> change:
>>>>>> https://marc.info/?l=linux-fsdevel&m=150944704716447&w=2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So IMO, if user opts-in for OVERFLOW instead of ENOMEM,
>>>>>> charging the listener memcg would be non controversial.
>>>>>> Otherwise, I cannot say that starting to charge the listener memgc
>>>>>> for events won't break any application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Shakeel, Jan,
>>>
>>> Reviving this thread and adding linux-api, because I think it is important to
>>> agree on the API before patches.
>>>
>>> The last message on the thread you referenced suggest an API change
>>> for opting in for Q_OVERFLOW on ENOMEM:
>>> https://marc.info/?l=linux-api&m=150946878623441&w=2
>>>
>>> However, the suggested API change in in fanotify_mark() syscall and
>>> this is not the time when fsnotify_group is initialized.
>>> I believe for opting-in to accounting events for listener, you
>>> will need to add an opt-in flag for the fanotify_init() syscall.
>>>
>>
>> I thought the reason to opt-in "charge memory to listener" was the
>> risk of oom-killing the listener but it is now clear that there will
>> be no oom-kills on memcg hitting its limit (no oom-killing listener
>> risk). In my (not so strong) opinion we should only opt-in for
>> receiving the {FAN|IN}_Q_OVERFLOW event on ENOMEM but always charge
>> the memory for events to the listener's memcg if kmem accounting is
>> enabled.
>>
>
> I agree that charging listener's memcg is preferred, but it is still a change
> of behavior, because if attacker can allocate memory from listener's memcg,
> then attacker can force overflow and hide the traces of its own filesystem
> operations.
>

ACK.

>>> Something like FAN_GROUP_QUEUE  (better name is welcome)
>>> which is mutually exclusive (?) with FAN_UNLIMITED_QUEUE.
>>>

How about FAN_CHARGE_MEMCG?

>>
>> There is no need to make them mutually exclusive. One should be able
>> to request an unlimited queue limited by available memory on system
>> (with no kmem charging) or limited by limit of the listener's memcg
>> (with kmem charging).
>
> OK.
>
>>
>>> The question is, do we need the user to also explicitly opt-in for
>>> Q_OVERFLOW on ENOMEM with FAN_Q_ERR mark mask?
>>> Should these 2 new APIs be coupled or independent?
>>>
>>
>> Are there any error which are not related to queue overflows? I see
>> the mention of ENODEV and EOVERFLOW in the discussion. If there are
>> such errors and might be interesting to the listener then we should
>> have 2 independent APIs.
>>
>
> These are indeed 2 different use cases.
> A Q_OVERFLOW event is only expected one of ENOMEM or
> EOVERFLOW in event->fd, but other events (like open of special device
> file) can have ENODEV in event->fd.
>
> But I am not convinced that those require 2 independent APIs.
> Specifying FAN_Q_ERR means that the user expects to reads errors
> from event->fd.
>

Can you please explain what you mean by 2 independent APIs? I thought
"no independent APIs" means FAN_Q_ERR can only be used with
FAN_Q_OVERFLOW and without FAN_Q_OVERFLOW, FAN_Q_ERR is ignored. Is
that right or I misunderstood?

>>> Another question is whether FAN_GROUP_QUEUE may require
>>> less than CAP_SYS_ADMIN? Of course for now, this is only a
>>> semantic change, because fanotify_init() requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN
>>> but as the documentation suggests, this may be relaxed in the future.
>>>
>>
>> I think there is no need for imposing CAP_SYS_ADMIN for requesting to
>> charge self for the event memory.
>>
>
> Certainly. The question is whether the flag combination
> FAN_GROUP_QUEUE|FAN_UNLIMITED_QUEUE could relax the
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement that is imposed by FAN_UNLIMITED_QUEUE
> by itself.
>

Oh, I agree with relaxing CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement if both flags are given.

> Note that FAN_UNLIMITED_MARKS cannot relax CAP_SYS_ADMIN
> even though marks are already accounted to listener memcg. This is because
> most of the memory consumption in this case comes from marks pinning the
> watched inodes to cache and not from the marks themselves.
>

thanks,
Shakeel

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