linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 1/3] seccomp: add a return code to trap to userspace

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Message-ID: <CAGXu5jKBmej+fXhEc+Jy7Guy+vXEZkHnc=4LNm1NNEsc1=DFVA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:49:21 -0800
From:   Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:     Tycho Andersen <tycho@...ho.ws>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Containers <containers@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        "Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        "Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...ntu.com>,
        Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@...onical.com>,
        Akihiro Suda <suda.akihiro@....ntt.co.jp>,
        Tom Hromatka <tom.hromatka@...cle.com>,
        Sargun Dhillon <sargun@...gun.me>,
        Paul Moore <pmoore@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] seccomp: add a return code to trap to userspace

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Tycho Andersen <tycho@...ho.ws> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 01:09:20PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 2:49 AM, Tycho Andersen <tycho@...ho.ws> wrote:
>>> I wonder if this communication should be netlink, which gives a more
>>> well-structured way to describe what's on the wire? The reason I ask
>>> is because if we ever change the seccomp_data structure, we'll now
>>> have two places where we need to deal with it (the first being within
>>> the BPF itself). My initial idea was to prefix the communication with
>>> a size field, then send the structure, and then I had nightmares, and
>>> realized this was basically netlink reinvented.
>>
>> I suggested netlink in LA, and everyone (especially Andy) groaned very
>> loudly :). I'm happy to switch it to netlink if you like, although i
>> think memcpy() of structs should be safe here, since the return value
>> from read or write can indicate the size of things.
>
> I could easily get on board with "netlink" (i.e. NLA) messages sent
> over an fd.  I will object strongly to the use of netlink *sockets*.

Yeah, I was thinking NLA over the fd; not a netlink socket.

>>> An ERRNO filter would block a USER_NOTIF because it's unconditional.
>>> TRACE could be either, USER_NOTIF could be either.
>>>
>>> This means TRACE rules would be bumped by a USER_NOTIF... hmm.
>>
>> Yes, I didn't exactly know what to do here. ERRNO, TRAP, and KILL all
>> seemed more important than USER_NOTIF, but TRACE didn't. I don't have
>> a strong opinion about what to do here, because users can adjust their
>> filters accordingly. Let me know what you prefer.
>
> If we switched to eBPF functions, this whole issue goes away.

Yeah, though we'd still need some kind of "wait for answer" eBPF
function. It feels wrong to re-use maps for that...

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security