linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 4/7] x86/microcode: Do not upload microcode if CPUs are offline

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Date:   Wed, 28 Feb 2018 05:26:40 -0800
From:   "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>
To:     Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@....eng.br>
Cc:     Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
        Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@...el.com>,
        Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@....com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] x86/microcode: Do not upload microcode if CPUs are
 offline

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:11:56AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > Avoid loading microcode if any of the CPUs are offline, and issue a
> > warning. Having different microcode revisions on the system at any time
> > is outright dangerous.
> 
> Even if we update that microcode during CPU early bring-up, before we
> mark it on-line and start using it?
> 
> AFAIK, late-loading or not, this is what should happen in the current
> code: APs that are brought up after a microcode update is loaded (either
> by the early or late driver, it doesn't matter) will be always
> *early-updated* to the new microcode.
> 
> Is it dangerous to have an offline core at an older microcode revision
> than the online cores?

We don't want to leave a system and allow the user to update microcode
when some cpus are offline. Remember cpu_offline in linux is only 
logical offlining.. so the cpu is still in the system.. it can even 
participate in MCE for e.g. It is very much alive. Its not a question
that "Would it not work" but its not worth to leave an open door and 
being paranoid is best!



> 
> I am not against the patch, mind you, but I am curious about why it is
> supposed to be dangerous if we're updating the CPUs before we start
> using them *anyway*.
> 
> Also, if this is really dangerous, does it means safe CPU hotplug isn't
> possible?  AFAICT, the firmware would have to do it for us, but it
> *doesn't* have the up-to-date microcode (*we* had to update it)...

The difference is hot-adding you know you are going to update the current
microcode. But leaving a cpu in offline state is leaving it stale for a long
time without realizing that you have some stale cores.