Date:   Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:44:42 -0700
From:   Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
To:     Sinan Kaya <okaya@...eaurora.org>
Cc:     Timur Tabi <timur@...eaurora.org>, Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        sulrich@...eaurora.org, linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        Jeff Kirsher <jeffrey.t.kirsher@...el.com>,
        intel-wired-lan <intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] ixgbevf: eliminate duplicate barriers on
 weakly-ordered archs

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Sinan Kaya <okaya@...eaurora.org> wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> On 3/14/2018 5:49 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:13 AM,  <okaya@...eaurora.org> wrote:
>>> On 2018-03-14 01:08, Timur Tabi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/18 10:20 PM, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>
>> Actually I would argue this whole patch set is pointless. For starters
>> why is it we are only updating the Intel Ethernet drivers here?
>
> I did a regex search for wmb() followed by writel() in each drivers directory.
> I scrubbed the ones I care about and posted this series. Note also that
> I have one Infiniband patch in the series.

I didn't see it as it I was only looking at the patches that had ended
up in intel-wired-lan. Also was there a cover page, I couldn't seem to
find that on LKML.

> I considered "ease of change", "popular usage" and "performance critical
> path" as the determining criteria for my filtering.

It might be advisable to break things up to subsystem or family. So
for example if you are going to update the Intel Ethernet drivers I
would focus on that and maybe spin the infiniband patch of into a
separate set that can be applied to a separate tree. This is something
I would consider more of a driver optimization than a fix. In our case
it makes it easier for us to maintain the patches to the Intel drivers
if you could submit just those to Jeff and Intel-wired-lan so that we
can take care of test and review as well as figure out what other
drivers will would still need to update in order to handle all the
cases involved in this.

>> This
>> seems like something that is going to impact the whole kernel tree
>> since many of us have been writing drivers for some time assuming x86
>> style behavior.
>
> That's true. We used relaxed API heavily on ARM for a long time but
> it did not exist on other architectures. For this reason, relaxed
> architectures have been paying double penalty in order to use the common
> drivers.
>
> Now that relaxed API is present on all architectures, we can go and scrub
> all drivers to see what needs to change and what can remain.

My only real objection is that you are going to be having to scrub
pretty much ALL the drivers. It seems a little like trying to fix a
bad tire on your car by paving the road to match the shape of the
tire.

>>
>> It doesn't make sense to be optimizing the drivers for one subset of
>> architectures. The scope of the work needed to update the drivers for
>> this would be ridiculous. Also I don't see how this could be expected
>> to work on any other architecture when we pretty much need to have a
>> wmb() before calling the writel on x86 to deal with accesses between
>> coherent and non-coherent memory. It seems to me more like somebody
>> added what they considered to be an optimization somewhere that is a
>> workaround for a poorly written driver. Either that or the barrier is
>> serving a different purpose then the one we were using.
>
> Is there a semantic problem with the definition of wmb() vs. writel() vs.
> writel_relaxed()? I thought everything is well described in barriers
> document about what to expect from these APIs.
>
> AFAIK, writel() is equal to writel_relaxed() on x86 architecture.
> It doesn't really change anything for x86 but it saves barriers on
> other architectures.

Yeah. I had to go through and do some review since my concerns have
been PowerPC, IA64, and x86 historically. From what I can tell all
those architectures are setup the same way so that shouldn't be an
issue.

>>
>> It would make more sense to put in the effort making writel and
>> writel_relaxed consistent between architectures before we go through
>> and start modifying driver code to support different architectures.
>>
>
> Is there an arch problem that I'm not seeing?
>
> Sinan

It isn't really an arch problem I have as a logistical one. It just
seems like this is really backwards in terms of how this has been
handled. For the x86 we have historically had to deal with the
barriers for this kind of stuff ourselves, now for ARM and a couple
other architectures they seem to have incorporated the barriers into
writel and are expecting everyone to move over to writel_relaxed. It
seems like instead of going that route they should have probably just
looked at pushing the ARM drivers to something like a "writel_strict"
and adopted the behavior of the other architectures for writel.

I'll go back through and review. It looks like a number of items were missed.

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