linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] kernel: add support for 256-bit IO access

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Message-ID: <20180320105427.bm4od7cpessbraag@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:54:27 +0100
From:   Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Cc:     David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>,
        'Rahul Lakkireddy' <rahul.lakkireddy@...lsio.com>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>,
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        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
        Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@...el.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] kernel: add support for 256-bit IO access


* Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > > So I do think we could do more in this area to improve driver performance, if the 
> > > > code is correct and if there's actual benchmarks that are showing real benefits.
> > > 
> > > If it's about hotpath performance I'm all for it, but the use case here is
> > > a debug facility...
> > > 
> > > And if we go down that road then we want a AVX based memcpy()
> > > implementation which is runtime conditional on the feature bit(s) and
> > > length dependent. Just slapping a readqq() at it and use it in a loop does
> > > not make any sense.
> > 
> > Yeah, so generic memcpy() replacement is only feasible I think if the most 
> > optimistic implementation is actually correct:
> > 
> >  - if no preempt disable()/enable() is required
> > 
> >  - if direct access to the AVX[2] registers does not disturb legacy FPU state in 
> >    any fashion
> > 
> >  - if direct access to the AVX[2] registers cannot raise weird exceptions or have
> >    weird behavior if the FPU control word is modified to non-standard values by 
> >    untrusted user-space
> > 
> > If we have to touch the FPU tag or control words then it's probably only good for 
> > a specialized API.
> 
> I did not mean to have a general memcpy replacement. Rather something like
> magic_memcpy() which falls back to memcpy when AVX is not usable or the
> length does not justify the AVX stuff at all.

OK, fair enough.

Note that a generic version might still be worth trying out, if and only if it's 
safe to access those vector registers directly: modern x86 CPUs will do their 
non-constant memcpy()s via the common memcpy_erms() function - which could in 
theory be an easy common point to be (cpufeatures-) patched to an AVX2 variant, if 
size (and alignment, perhaps) is a multiple of 32 bytes or so.

Assuming it's correct with arbitrary user-space FPU state and if it results in any 
measurable speedups, which might not be the case: ERMS is supposed to be very 
fast.

So even if it's possible (which it might not be), it could end up being slower 
than the ERMS version.

Thanks,

	Ingo