linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] kernel: add support for 256-bit IO access

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Message-ID: <CALCETrXQRLEh_oQ5O-u31HT8AC0Gyb=_qwYJe2D0uyG07fNcoA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:45:55 +0000
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
To:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>,
        Rahul Lakkireddy <rahul.lakkireddy@...lsio.com>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "mingo@...hat.com" <mingo@...hat.com>,
        "hpa@...or.com" <hpa@...or.com>,
        "davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "ganeshgr@...lsio.com" <ganeshgr@...lsio.com>,
        "nirranjan@...lsio.com" <nirranjan@...lsio.com>,
        "indranil@...lsio.com" <indranil@...lsio.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
        Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@...el.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] kernel: add support for 256-bit IO access

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:32 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>> And even if you ignore that "maintenance problems down the line" issue
>> ("we can fix them when they happen") I don't want to see games like
>> this, because I'm pretty sure it breaks the optimized xsave by tagging
>> the state as being dirty.
>
> That's true - and it would penalize the context switch cost of the affected task
> for the rest of its lifetime, as I don't think there's much that clears XINUSE
> other than a FINIT, which is rarely done by user-space.
>
>> So no. Don't use vector stuff in the kernel. It's not worth the pain.
>
> I agree, but:
>
>> The *only* valid use is pretty much crypto, and even there it has had issues.
>> Benchmarks use big arrays and/or dense working sets etc to "prove" how good the
>> vector version is, and then you end up in situations where it's used once per
>> fairly small packet for an interrupt, and it's actually much worse than doing it
>> by hand.
>
> That's mainly because the XSAVE/XRESTOR done by kernel_fpu_begin()/end() is so
> expensive, so this argument is somewhat circular.

If we do the deferred restore, then the XSAVE/XRSTOR happens at most
once per kernel entry, which isn't so bad IMO.  Also, with PTI, kernel
entries are already so slow that this will be mostly in the noise :(

--Andy