linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3] x86,sched: allow topologies where NUMA nodes share an LLC

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Message-ID: <596dcb0c-5bbc-f3be-203b-571170ee8f11@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Thu, 29 Mar 2018 07:37:29 -0700
From:   Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Cc:     Alison Schofield <alison.schofield@...el.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...ux.intel.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
        Igor Mammedov <imammedo@...hat.com>,
        Prarit Bhargava <prarit@...hat.com>, brice.goglin@...il.com,
        x86@...nel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] x86,sched: allow topologies where NUMA nodes share an
 LLC

On 03/29/2018 06:47 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> Further I think Dave argued that we should not change the llc-size,
> because while SNC presents a subset of the cache to local CPUs, for
> remote data the whole cache is still available, again something some
> applications might rely on.

BTW, I may have argued this in the past, but I don't think it's the best
thing to do.

If anything, we should optimize for the _users_ of this information: the
performance-sensitive ones who are digging up the cache topology.  They
are also likely to be the most NUMA-affinitized and stay node-local with
much of their memory traffic.  That would seem to point us in the
direction of enumerating two separate, half-sized LLCs "shared" only by
the slice when SNC mode is on.

That's what I've argued to the hardware folks lately, at least.