linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] Kernel lockdown for secure boot

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Message-ID: <13189.1522784944@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
Date:   Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:49:04 +0100
From:   David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
Cc:     dhowells@...hat.com, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...gle.com>,
        Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>,
        James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
        Alan Cox <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Justin Forbes <jforbes@...hat.com>,
        linux-man <linux-man@...r.kernel.org>, joeyli <jlee@...e.com>,
        LSM List <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        linux-efi <linux-efi@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Kernel lockdown for secure boot

Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org> wrote:

> >>> A kernel that allows users arbitrary access to ring 0 is just an
> >>> overfeatured bootloader. Why would you want secure boot in that case?
> >>
> >> To get a chain of trust.
> >
> > You don't have a chain of trust that you can trust in that case.
> >
> Please elaborate on why I can’t trust it.

If the user can arbitrarily modify the running kernel image, you cannot trust
anything.  You cannot determine the trustworthiness of something because your
basis for determining that trust can be compromised.

> Please also elaborate on how lockdown helps at all.

Stopping the kernel from being arbitrarily modified allows you to preserve
your trust.

Stopping the kernel from being arbitrarily read stops any encryption keys it
may be using from being retrieved.

And, if you can't guarantee the trustworthiness of your own image, you can't
pass the trust onto the next image that you kexec.

Now, I can't guarantee that my patches close every hole, they just close all
the holes I know about - including some obscure ones like using DMA-capable
ISA devices to hack/access the kernel image.

David