Message-ID: <20180418162054.GA5197@magnolia>
Date:   Wed, 18 Apr 2018 09:20:55 -0700
From:   "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@...cle.com>
To:     Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>
Cc:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-block@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        Josef Bacik <jbacik@...com>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>,
        Jeff Layton <jlayton@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/79] Generic page write protection and a solution
 to page waitqueue

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:54:30AM -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:13:37PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > so I finally got to this :)
> > 
> > On Wed 04-04-18 15:17:50, jglisse@...hat.com wrote:
> > > From: Jérôme Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > The Why ?
> > > 
> > > I have two objectives: duplicate memory read only accross nodes and or
> > > devices and work around PCIE atomic limitations. More on each of those
> > > objective below. I also want to put forward that it can solve the page
> > > wait list issue ie having each page with its own wait list and thus
> > > avoiding long wait list traversale latency recently reported [1].
> > > 
> > > It does allow KSM for file back pages (truely generic KSM even between
> > > both anonymous and file back page). I am not sure how useful this can
> > > be, this was not an objective i did pursue, this is just a for free
> > > feature (see below).
> > 
> > I know some people (Matthew Wilcox?) wanted to do something like KSM for
> > file pages - not all virtualization schemes use overlayfs and e.g. if you
> > use reflinks (essentially shared on-disk extents among files) for your
> > container setup, you could save significant amounts of memory with the
> > ability to share pages in page cache among files that are reflinked.
> 
> Yes i believe they are still use case where KSM with file back page make
> senses, i am just not familiar enough with those workload to know how big
> of a deal this is.

Imagine container farms where they deploy the base os image via cp --reflink.
This would be a huge win for btrfs/xfs but we've all been too terrified
of the memory manager to try it. :)

For those following at home, we had a track at LSFMM2017 (and hallway
bofs about this in previous years):
https://lwn.net/Articles/717950/

/me starts to look at this big series, having sent his own yesterday. :)

--D

> > > [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.kernel/Iit1P5BNyX8
> > > 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Per page wait list, so long page_waitqueue() !
> > > 
> > > Not implemented in this RFC but below is the logic and pseudo code
> > > at bottom of this email.
> > > 
> > > When there is a contention on struct page lock bit, the caller which
> > > is trying to lock the page will add itself to a waitqueue. The issues
> > > here is that multiple pages share the same wait queue and on large
> > > system with a lot of ram this means we can quickly get to a long list
> > > of waiters for differents pages (or for the same page) on the same
> > > list [1].
> > > 
> > > The present patchset virtualy kills all places that need to access the
> > > page->mapping field and only a handfull are left, namely for testing
> > > page truncation and for vmscan. The former can be remove if we reuse
> > > the PG_waiters flag for a new PG_truncate flag set on truncation then
> > > we can virtualy kill all derefence of page->mapping (this patchset
> > > proves it is doable). NOTE THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT MAPPING is FREE TO
> > > BE USE BY ANYONE TO STORE WHATEVER IN STRUCT PAGE. SORRY NO !
> > 
> > It is interesting that you can get rid of page->mapping uses in most
> > places. For page reclaim (vmscan) you'll still need a way to get from a
> > page to an address_space so that you can reclaim the page so you can hardly
> > get rid of page->mapping completely but you're right that with such limited
> > use that transition could be more complex / expensive.
> 
> Idea for vmscan is that you either have regular mapping pointer store in
> page->mapping or you have a pointer to special struct which has a function
> pointer to a reclaim/walker function (rmap_walk_ksm)
> 
> > What I wonder though is what is the cost of this (in the terms of code size
> > and speed) - propagating the mapping down the stack costs something... Also
> > in terms of maintainability, code readability suffers a bit.
> 
> I haven't checked that, i will, i was not so concern because in the vast
> majority of places there is already struct address_space on the stack
> frame (ie local variable in function being call) so moving it to function
> argument shouldn't impact that. However as i expect this will be merge
> over multiple kernel release cycle and the intermediary step will see an
> increase in stack size. The code size should only grow marginaly i expect.
> I will provide numbers with my next posting after LSF/MM.
> 
> 
> > This could be helped though. In some cases it seems we just use the mapping
> > because it was easily available but could get away without it. In other
> > case (e.g. lot of fs/buffer.c) we could make bh -> mapping transition easy
> > by storing the mapping in the struct buffer_head - possibly it could
> > replace b_bdev pointer as we could get to that from the mapping with a bit
> > of magic and pointer chasing and accessing b_bdev is not very performance
> > critical. OTOH such optimizations make a rather complex patches from mostly
> > mechanical replacement so I can see why you didn't go that route.
> 
> I am willing to do the buffer_head change, i remember considering it but
> i don't remember why not doing it (i failed to take note of that).
> 
> 
> > Overall I think you'd need to make a good benchmarking comparison showing
> > how much this helps some real workloads (your motivation) and also how
> > other loads on lower end machines are affected.
> 
> Do you have any specific benchmark you would like to see ? My list was:
>   https://github.com/01org/lkp-tests
>   https://github.com/gormanm/mmtests
>   https://github.com/akopytov/sysbench/
>   http://git.infradead.org/users/dhowells/unionmount-testsuite.git
> 
> For workload i care this will be CUDA workload. We are still working on
> the OpenCL open source stack but i don't expect we will have someting
> that can shows the same performance improvement with OpenCL as soon as
> with CUDA.
> 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > The What ?
> > > 
> > > Aim of this patch serie is to introduce generic page write protection
> > > for any kind of regular page in a process (private anonymous or back
> > > by regular file). This feature already exist, in one form, for private
> > > anonymous page, as part of KSM (Kernel Share Memory).
> > > 
> > > So this patch serie is two fold. First it factors out the page write
> > > protection of KSM into a generic write protection mechanim which KSM
> > > becomes the first user of. Then it add support for regular file back
> > > page memory (regular file or share memory aka shmem). To achieve this
> > > i need to cut the dependency lot of code have on page->mapping so i
> > > can set page->mapping to point to special structure when write
> > > protected.
> > 
> > So I'm interested in this write protection mechanism but I didn't find much
> > about it in the series. How does it work? I can see KSM writeprotects pages
> > in page tables so that works for userspace mappings but what about
> > in-kernel users modifying pages - e.g. pages in page cache carrying
> > filesystem metadata do get modified a lot like this.
> 
> So i only care about page which are mmaped into a process address space.
> At first i only want to intercept CPU write access through mmap of file
> but i also intend to extend write syscall to also "fault" on the write
> protection ie it will call a callback to unprotect the page allowing the
> write protector to take proper action while write syscall is happening.
> 
> I am affraid truely generic write protection for metadata pages is bit
> out of scope of what i am doing. However the mechanism i am proposing
> can be extended for that too. Issue is that all place that want to write
> to those page need to be converted to something where write happens
> between write_begin and write_end section (mmap and CPU pte does give
> this implicitly through page fault, so does write syscall). Basicly
> there is a need to make sure that write and write protection can be
> ordered against one another without complex locking.
> 
> 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > The How ?
> > > 
> > > The corner stone assumption in this patch serie is that page->mapping
> > > is always the same as vma->vm_file->f_mapping (modulo when a page is
> > > truncated). The one exception is in respect to swaping with nfs file.
> > > 
> > > Am i fundamentaly wrong in my assumption ?
> > 
> > AFAIK you're right.
> > 
> > > I believe this is a do-able plan because virtually all place do know
> > > the address_space a page belongs to, or someone in the callchain do.
> > > Hence this patchset is all about passing down that information. The
> > > only exception i am aware of is page reclamation (vmscan) but this can
> > > be handled as a special case as there we not interested in the page
> > > mapping per say but in reclaiming memory.
> > > 
> > > Once you have both struct page and mapping (without relying on the
> > > struct page to get the latter) you can use mapping that as a unique
> > > key to lookup page->private/page->index value. So all dereference of
> > > those fields become:
> > >     page_offset(page) -> page_offset(page, mapping)
> > >     page_buffers(page) -> page_buffers(page, mapping)
> > > 
> > > Note than this only need special handling for write protected page ie
> > > it is the same as before if page is not write protected so it just add
> > > a test each time code call either helper.
> > > 
> > > Sinful function (all existing usage are remove in this patchset):
> > >     page_mapping(page)
> > > 
> > > You can also use the page buffer head as a unique key. So following
> > > helpers are added (thought i do not use them):
> > >     page_mapping_with_buffers(page, (struct buffer_head *)bh)
> > >     page_offset_with_buffers(page, (struct buffer_head *)bh)
> > > 
> > > A write protected page has page->mapping pointing to a structure like
> > > struct rmap_item for KSM. So this structure has a list for each unique
> > > combination:
> > >     struct write_protect {
> > >         struct list_head *mappings; /* write_protect_mapping list */
> > >         ...
> > >     };
> > > 
> > >     struct write_protect_mapping {
> > >         struct list_head list
> > >         struct address_space *mapping;
> > >         unsigned long offset;
> > >         unsigned long private;
> > >         ...
> > >     };
> > 
> > Auch, the fact that we could share a page as data storage for several
> > inode+offset combinations that are not sharing underlying storage just
> > looks viciously twisted ;) But is it really that useful to warrant
> > complications? In particular I'm afraid that filesystems expect consistency
> > between their internal state (attached to page->private) and page state
> > (e.g. page->flags) and when there are multiple internal states attached to
> > the same page this could go easily wrong...
> 
> So at first i want to limit to write protect (not KSM) thus page->flags
> will stay consistent (ie page is only ever associated with a single
> mapping). For KSM yes the page->flags can be problematic, however here
> we can assume that page is clean (and uptodate) and not under write
> back. So problematic flags for KSM:
>   - private (page_has_buffers() or PagePrivate (nfs, metadata, ...))
>   - private_2 (FsCache)
>   - mappedtodisk
>   - swapcache
>   - error
> 
> Idea again would be to PageFlagsWithMapping(page, mapping) so that for
> non KSM write protected page you test the usual page->flags and for
> write protected page you find the flag value using mapping as lookup
> index. Usualy those flag are seldomly changed/accessed. Again the
> overhead (ignoring code size) would only be for page which are KSM.
> So maybe KSM will not make sense because perf overhead it has with
> page->flags access (i don't think so but i haven't tested this).
> 
> 
> Thank you for taking time to read over all this.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jérôme

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