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Date:   Tue, 29 May 2018 21:17:13 +0100
From:   Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
        stern@...land.harvard.edu, andrea.parri@...rulasolutions.com,
        peterz@...radead.org, boqun.feng@...il.com, npiggin@...il.com,
        dhowells@...hat.com, j.alglave@....ac.uk, luc.maranget@...ia.fr,
        akiyks@...il.com, mingo@...nel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tools/memory-model] Add litmus-test naming scheme

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 05:11:07AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:30:50AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:10:20PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > This commit documents the scheme used to generate the names for the
> > > litmus tests.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > ---
> > >  README |  136 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >  1 file changed, 135 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > Whilst I think documentation like this is extremely important for users,
> > this feels like it's documenting how to drive parts of diy and I'm not
> > convinced that it belongs in the kernel source tree as long as the projects
> > remain separate.
> > 
> > Why not contribute this to the herdtools7 documentation, then just reference
> > that from here? That would also be helpful for other people interested in
> > memory models, but perhaps not interested in Linux (assuming such people
> > exist ;).
> 
> We would still need at least a pointer from the Linux kernel to that
> documentation, but I am happy either way.  We probably need examples of
> the common cases, but probably not a full exposition of all the available
> herd7 edges.

Completely agreed.

> Should this be in the herdtools7 documentation, or as added detail
> from a variation on the "diyone7 -bell linux-kernel.bell -show edges"
> command?  If the latter, I suppose that the ones coming from the .bell
> file might simply be labelled as such.

Many of the edges aren't specific to the Linux kernel, so I think they
should be part of the diyone7 documentation. We could then describe only
the additional edges added by the kernel memory model (e.g. "Once") in
the kernel documentation.

Will

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