lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Message-ID: <20180703174833.GZ2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:   Tue, 3 Jul 2018 19:48:33 +0200
From:   Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:     Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>,
        heiko carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-api <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Dave Watson <davejwatson@...com>, Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Russell King <linux@....linux.org.uk>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@...ux.com>,
        Ben Maurer <bmaurer@...com>, rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>,
        Michal Simek <michal.simek@...inx.com>,
        schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>, gor <gor@...ux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields,
 validate user inputs

On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 01:38:59PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@...radead.org wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 10:10:37AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:40 AM Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So it sounds like architectures that don't have an instruction atomic u64
> >> > *_user need to disable interrupts during the access, and somehow handle that
> >> > case when a page fault happens?
> >> 
> >> No. It's actually the store by *user* space that is the critical one.
> >> Not the whole 64-bit value, just the low pointer part.
> >> 
> >> The kernel could do it as a byte-by-byte load, really. It's
> >> per-thread, and once the kernel is running, it's not going to change.
> >> The kernel never changes the value, it just loads it from user space.
> > 
> > The kernel doesn't change _this_ value, but the kernel does change other
> > values, like for instance rseq->cpu_id. But even there, it could use
> > byte stores and it is again the userspace load of that field that is
> > critical again and needs to be a single op.
> 
> I can simply document that loads/stores from/to all struct rseq fields
> should be thread-local then ?

I'm not sure that covers things sufficiently. You really want the
userspace load/stores to be single instructions.

Also, I think it was rseq_update_cpu_id() where we wanted to use a
single u64 store if possible but you worried about the stores.

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ