Message-ID: <20180706081603.2d8451c9@coco.lan>
Date:   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 08:16:03 -0300
From:   Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@...nel.org>
To:     "Katsuhiro Suzuki" <suzuki.katsuhiro@...ionext.com>
Cc:     <linux-media@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Masami Hiramatsu" <masami.hiramatsu@...aro.org>,
        "Jassi Brar" <jaswinder.singh@...aro.org>,
        <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, "Abylay Ospan" <aospan@...up.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] media: dvb-frontends: add Socionext SC1501A ISDB-S/T
 demodulator driver

Em Fri, 6 Jul 2018 15:04:08 +0900
"Katsuhiro Suzuki" <suzuki.katsuhiro@...ionext.com> escreveu:

> Here is the log of dvb-fe-tool on my environment.
> 
> --------------------
> # ./utils/dvb/.libs/dvb-fe-tool -d isdbs
> Changing delivery system to: ISDBS
> ERROR    FE_SET_VOLTAGE: Unknown error 524

Hmm... ENOTSUPP. Doesn't the device supposed to be able to power on the
LNBf?

Anyway, I changed the error print message to be clearer, displaying 
instead:

  ERROR    FE_SET_VOLTAGE: driver doesn't support it!

> 
> # ./utils/dvb/.libs/dvb-fe-tool
> Device Socionext SC1501A (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) capabilities:
>      CAN_FEC_AUTO
>      CAN_GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
>      CAN_HIERARCHY_AUTO
>      CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
>      CAN_QAM_AUTO
>      CAN_TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
> DVB API Version 5.11, Current v5 delivery system: ISDBS
> Supported delivery systems:
>     [ISDBS]
>      ISDBT
> Frequency range for the current standard:
> From:             470 MHz
> To:              2.07 GHz
> Step:            25.0 kHz
> Symbol rate ranges for the current standard:
> From:                 0Bauds
> To:                   0Bauds

That seems a driver issue. The ISDB-S ops.info should be
filling both symbol_rate_min and symbol_rate_max.

I suspect that both should be filled with 28860000.

The dvb_frontend.c core might hardcode it, but, IMHO,
it is better to keep those information inside the 
tuner/frontend ops.info.

> SEC: set voltage to OFF
> ERROR    FE_SET_VOLTAGE: Operation not permitted
> 
> 
> # ./utils/dvb/.libs/dvb-fe-tool -d isdbt
> Changing delivery system to: ISDBT
> ERROR    FE_SET_VOLTAGE: Unknown error 524
> 
> # ./utils/dvb/.libs/dvb-fe-tool
> Device Socionext SC1501A (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) capabilities:
>      CAN_FEC_AUTO
>      CAN_GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
>      CAN_HIERARCHY_AUTO
>      CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
>      CAN_QAM_AUTO
>      CAN_TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
> DVB API Version 5.11, Current v5 delivery system: ISDBT
> Supported delivery systems:
>      ISDBS
>     [ISDBT]
> Frequency range for the current standard:
> From:             470 MHz
> To:              2.07 GHz
> Step:            25.0 kHz

The rest looks OK for me.

> > > For example, Helene uses these info for only Ter or Sat freq ranges:
> > >
> > > 		.name = "Sony HELENE Ter tuner",
> > > 		.frequency_min_hz  =    1 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_max_hz  = 1200 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_step_hz =   25 * kHz,
> > >
> > > 		.name = "Sony HELENE Sat tuner",
> > > 		.frequency_min_hz  =  500 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_max_hz  = 2500 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_step_hz =    1 * MHz,
> > >
> > > Is this better to add new info for both system?
> > >
> > > 		.name = "Sony HELENE Sat/Ter tuner",
> > > 		.frequency_min_hz  =    1 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_max_hz  = 2500 * MHz,
> > > 		.frequency_step_hz =   25 * kHz, // Is this correct...?  
> > 
> > That is indeed a very good question, and maybe a reason why we
> > may need other approaches.
> > 
> > See, if the tuner is capable of tuning from 1 MHz to 2500 MHz,
> > the frequency range should be ok. It would aget_frontend_algoctually be pretty cool
> > to use a tuner with such wide range for SDR, if the hardware supports
> > raw I/Q collect :-D
> > 
> > The frequency step is a different issue. If the tuner driver uses
> > DVBFE_ALGO_SW (e. g. if ops.get_frontend_algo() returns it, or if
> > this function is not defined), then the step will be used to adjust
> > the zigzag interactions. If it is too small, the tuning will lose
> > channels if the signal is not strong.
> >   
> 
> Thank you for describing. It's difficult problem...

I double-checked the implementation. We don't need to worry about
zigzag, provided that the ISDB-S implementation at the core is correct.

For satellite/cable standards, the zigzag logic takes the symbol
rate into account, and not the stepsize:

                case SYS_DVBS:
                case SYS_DVBS2:
                case SYS_ISDBS:
                case SYS_TURBO:
                case SYS_DVBC_ANNEX_A:
                case SYS_DVBC_ANNEX_C:
                        fepriv->min_delay = HZ / 20;
                        fepriv->step_size = c->symbol_rate / 16000;
                        fepriv->max_drift = c->symbol_rate / 2000;
                        break;

For terrestrial standards, it uses the stepsize:

                case SYS_DVBT:
                case SYS_DVBT2:
                case SYS_ISDBT:
                case SYS_DTMB:
                        fepriv->min_delay = HZ / 20;
                        fepriv->step_size = dvb_frontend_get_stepsize(fe) * 2;
                        fepriv->max_drift = (dvb_frontend_get_stepsize(fe) * 2) + 1;
                        break;

So, having a value of 25 kHz there won't affect the zigzag algorithm
for ISDB-S, as it will be used only for ISDB-T.

> > In the specific case of helene, it doesn't have a get_frontend_algo,
> > so it will use the step frequency.
> > 
> > I'm not sure how to solve this issue. Maybe Abylay may shed a light
> > here, if helene does sigzag in hardware or not.
> >   
> 
> As far as I know, Helene does not have automatic scan mechanism in 
> hardware.

Ok, so the driver is doing the right thing here.

> > If it does in hardware, you could add a get_frontend_algo() routine
> > at helene driver and return DVBFE_ALGO_HW. The tuning zigzag software
> > algorithm in the Kernel will stop, as it will rely at the hardware.
> > 
> > Please notice that, if the hardware doesn't do zigzag itself, this
> > will make it lose channels. On the other hand, if the hardware does
> > have sigzag, changing to DVBFE_ALGO_HW will speedup tuning, as the
> > Kernel won't try to do sigzag itself.
> >   
> 
> ISDB-T uses 6MHz bandwidth per channel (in Japan), ISDB-S for 
> BS/CS110 uses 38.36MHz bandwidth. Maybe 1MHz zigzag step is large for 
> ISDB-T system and 25kHz is small for ISDB-S system.

Yeah, but, after double-checking the logic, for ISDB-S, it will
use:

	c->symbol_rate = 28860000;
	c->rolloff = ROLLOFF_35;
	c->bandwidth_hz = c->symbol_rate / 100 * 135;

That would actually set the ISDB-S channel separation to 38.961 MHz.

By setting symbol_rate like that, the zigzag for ISDB-S will
be defined by:

       fepriv->step_size = c->symbol_rate / 16000; /* 38.961MHz / 16000 = .002435 - e. g. steps of ~25 kHz */
       fepriv->max_drift = c->symbol_rate / 2000;  /* 38.961MHz / 2000 = .0194805 - e. g. max drift of ~195 kHz */

Funny enough, it will be using about 25 kHz as step size for ISDB-S.

I have no idea if the ISDB-S standard defines the zigzag logic,
but I would be expecting a higher value for it. So, perhaps
the ISDB-S zigzag could be optimized.

Thanks,
Mauro

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