linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/3] PTI for x86-32 Fixes and Updates

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Message-ID: <20180723215557.GA3935@amd>
Date:   Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:55:57 +0200
From:   Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] PTI for x86-32 Fixes and Updates

Hi!

> > What I want is "if A can ptrace B, and B has pti disabled, A can have
> > pti disabled as well". Now.. I see someone may want to have it
> > per-thread, because for stuff like javascript JIT, thread may have
> > rights to call ptrace, but is unable to call ptrace because JIT
> > removed that ability... hmm...
> 
> No, you don’t want that. The problem is that Meltdown isn’t a problem that exists in isolation. It’s very plausible that JavaScript code could trigger a speculation attack that, with PTI off, could read kernel memory.

Yeah, the web browser threads that run javascript code should have PTI
on. But maybe I want the rest of web browser with PTI off.

So... yes, I see why someone may want it per-thread (and not
per-process).

I guess per-process would be good enough for me. Actually, maybe even
per-uid. I don't have any fancy security here, so anything running uid
0 and 1000 is close enough to trusted.

								Pavel
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