linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation encryption

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Message-ID: <20180724130457.GB29006@amd>
Date:   Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:04:57 +0200
From:   Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:     Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.com>
Cc:     Yu Chen <yu.c.chen@...el.com>,
        "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...gle.com>,
        "Lee, Chun-Yi" <jlee@...e.com>, Theodore Ts o <tytso@....edu>,
        Stephan Mueller <smueller@...onox.de>,
        Denis Kenzior <denkenz@...il.com>, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        "Gu, Kookoo" <kookoo.gu@...el.com>,
        "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation
 encryption

On Tue 2018-07-24 13:49:41, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Mo, 2018-07-23 at 14:22 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > > Yes. But you are objecting to encryption in kernel space at all,
> > > aren't you?
> > 
> > I don't particulary love the idea of doing hibernation encryption in
> > the kernel, correct.
> > 
> > But we have this weird thing called secure boot, some people seem to
> > want. So we may need some crypto in the kernel -- but I'd like
> > something that works with uswsusp, too. Plus, it is mandatory that
> > patch explains what security guarantees they want to provide against
> > what kinds of attacks...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> very well, maybe we should state clearly that the goal of these
> patch set is to make Secure Boot and STD coexist. Anything else
> is a nice side effect, but not the primary justification, right?
> 
> And we further agree that the model of Secure Boot requires the
> encryption to be done in kernel space, don't we?
> Furthermore IMHO the key must also be generated in trusted code,
> hence in kernel space. Yu Chen, I really cannot see how
> a symmetrical encryption with a known key can be secure.

Nicely said. Yes, this is the message I was trying to get across.

									Pavel

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