Message-ID: <20180724163330.GC25888@arm.com>
Date:   Tue, 24 Jul 2018 17:33:30 +0100
From:   Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
Cc:     Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@...hat.com>,
        Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>,
        Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>,
        linux-arch <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        linux-s390@...r.kernel.org,
        Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
        Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier

Hi Andy,

Sorry, I missed the arm64 question at the end of this...

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:04:09AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
> > [I added PeterZ and Vitaly -- can you see any way in which this would
> > break something obscure?  I don't.]
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:14 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com> wrote:
> >> I guess we can skip both switch_ldt and load_mm_cr4 if real_prev equals
> >> next?
> >
> > Yes, AFAICS.
> >
> >>
> >> On to the lazy TLB mm_struct refcounting stuff :)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Which refcount?  mm_users shouldn’t be hot, so I assume you’re talking about
> >>> mm_count. My suggestion is to get rid of mm_count instead of trying to
> >>> optimize it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you have any suggestions on how? :)
> >>
> >> The TLB shootdown sent at __exit_mm time does not get rid of the
> >> kernelthread->active_mm
> >> pointer pointing at the mm that is exiting.
> >>
> >
> > Ah, but that's conceptually very easy to fix.  Add a #define like
> > ARCH_NO_TASK_ACTIVE_MM.  Then just get rid of active_mm if that
> > #define is set.  After some grepping, there are very few users.  The
> > only nontrivial ones are the ones in kernel/ and mm/mmu_context.c that
> > are involved in the rather complicated dance of refcounting active_mm.
> > If that field goes away, it doesn't need to be refcounted.  Instead, I
> > think the refcounting can get replaced with something like:
> >
> > /*
> >  * Release any arch-internal references to mm.  Only called when
> > mm_users is zero
> >  * and all tasks using mm have either been switch_mm()'d away or have had
> >  * enter_lazy_tlb() called.
> >  */
> > extern void arch_shoot_down_dead_mm(struct mm_struct *mm);
> >
> > which the kernel calls in __mmput() after tearing down all the page
> > tables.  The body can be something like:
> >
> > if (WARN_ON(cpumask_any_but(mm_cpumask(...), ...)) {
> >   /* send an IPI.  Maybe just call tlb_flush_remove_tables() */
> > }
> >
> > (You'll also have to fix up the highly questionable users in
> > arch/x86/platform/efi/efi_64.c, but that's easy.)
> >
> > Does all that make sense?  Basically, as I understand it, the
> > expensive atomic ops you're seeing are all pointless because they're
> > enabling an optimization that hasn't actually worked for a long time,
> > if ever.
> 
> Hmm.  Xen PV has a big hack in xen_exit_mmap(), which is called from
> arch_exit_mmap(), I think.  It's a heavier weight version of more or
> less the same thing that arch_shoot_down_dead_mm() would be, except
> that it happens before exit_mmap().  But maybe Xen actually has the
> right idea.  In other words, rather doing the big pagetable free in
> exit_mmap() while there may still be other CPUs pointing at the page
> tables, the other order might make more sense.  So maybe, if
> ARCH_NO_TASK_ACTIVE_MM is set, arch_exit_mmap() should be responsible
> for getting rid of all secret arch references to the mm.
> 
> Hmm.  ARCH_FREE_UNUSED_MM_IMMEDIATELY might be a better name.
> 
> I added some more arch maintainers.  The idea here is that, on x86 at
> least, task->active_mm and all its refcounting is pure overhead.  When
> a process exits, __mmput() gets called, but the core kernel has a
> longstanding "optimization" in which other tasks (kernel threads and
> idle tasks) may have ->active_mm pointing at this mm.  This is nasty,
> complicated, and hurts performance on large systems, since it requires
> extra atomic operations whenever a CPU switches between real users
> threads and idle/kernel threads.
> 
> It's also almost completely worthless on x86 at least, since __mmput()
> frees pagetables, and that operation *already* forces a remote TLB
> flush, so we might as well zap all the active_mm references at the
> same time.
> 
> But arm64 has real HW remote flushes.  Does arm64 actually benefit
> from the active_mm optimization?  What happens on arm64 when a process
> exits?  How about s390?  I suspect that x390 has rather larger systems
> than arm64, where the cost of the reference counting can be much
> higher.

IIRC, the TLB invalidation on task exit has the fullmm field set in the
mmu_gather structure, so we don't actually do any TLB invalidation at all.
Instead, we just don't re-allocate the ASID and invalidate the whole TLB
when we run out of ASIDs (they're 16-bit on most Armv8 CPUs).

Does that answer your question?

Will

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