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Message-Id: <5052E25B-9942-40C1-BD53-86E3D7014557@linaro.org>
Date:   Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:26:25 +0200
From:   Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>
To:     Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>
Cc:     Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        linux-rt-users@...r.kernel.org,
        Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@....com>,
        linux-efi <linux-efi@...r.kernel.org>,
        Anna-Maria Gleixner <anna-maria@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RT] rtc: Disable RTC_DRV_EFI on RT



> On 26 Jul 2018, at 14:15, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-07-26 11:15:52 [+0200], Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On 26 July 2018 at 11:04, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
>> <bigeasy@...utronix.de> wrote:
>>> Based on measurements the EFI functions get_variable /
>>> get_next_variable take up to 2us. The functions get_time, set_time take
>>> around 10ms. Those 10ms are too much. Even one ms would be too much.
>> 
>> You cannot extrapolate from these numbers. If the lack of worst case
>> guarantees on an EFI system is a problem for -rt, the only meaningful
>> course of action is to disable EFI runtime services entirely.
> 
> Oh boy. I disable EFI entirely because then the bootloader won't boot
> due to missing efi-stub. But I could disable the runtime-wrappers if
> that is what you meant. Patch below.
> 

What i mean is whatever you end up with if you pass efi=noruntime to the kernel.

But as i mentioned before, you may also lose the ability to reboot/shut down your system this way. Can you please double check?

>> I think SetVariable() may be even worse than GetTime(), given that NOR
>> flash updates may involve erasing blocks.
> 
> Here we go. "Read" can be triggered from userland via sysfs / efivars.
> "Write" is (currently) limited to pstore?
> 

No you can also write to variables via efivarfs and sysfs.

>>> The funny part is that EFI is invoked with enabled interrupts.
>>> According to my tracing I see the interrupt almost 10ms later which
>>> indicates that EFI is disabling interrupts while doing its thing.
>> 
>> Yes, and this is also highly implementation specific. Basing this kind
>> of policy on a single implementation is not very wise imo.
> 
> even if interrupts were not disabled then there would be no context
> switch on exit from interrupt path due to the preempt-disable part. So
> no improvement.
> 
>>> This was observed on "EFI v2.60 by SoftIron Overdrive 1000". I don't say
>>> that every EFI implementation does this but given that it has to access a
>>> slow bus like I2C/SPI it is expected.
>>> 
>>> Disable EFI's RTC driver on RT.
>>> 
>> 
>> Other calls to GetTime() would still be permitted in this case, so
>> this seems like a partial solution (although no other calls seem to
>> exist atm)
> 
> I *assumed* pstore would use the SetVariable during warning/bug. The
> pstore thingy might be useful. Not sure.
> 
> ------ >8
> 
> Subject: [PATCH RT] arm64: Disable EFI runtime services on RT
> 
> Based on meassurements the EFI functions get_variable /
> get_next_variable take up to 2us which looks okay.
> The functions get_time, set_time take around 10ms. Those 10ms are too
> much. Even one ms would be too much.
> Ard mentioned that SetVariable might even trigger larger latencies if
> the firware will erase flash blocks on NOR.
> 
> The time-functions are used by efi-rtc and can be triggered during
> runtimed (either via explicit read/write or ntp sync).
> 
> The variable write could be used by pstore.
> These functions can be disabled without much of a loss. The poweroff /
> reboot hooks will be provided by PSCI.
> 
> Disable EFI's runtime wrappers.
> 
> This was observed on "EFI v2.60 by SoftIron Overdrive 1000".
> 
> Signed-off-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>
> ---
> arch/arm64/Kconfig                 | 2 +-
> drivers/firmware/efi/arm-runtime.c | 2 ++
> 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/Kconfig b/arch/arm64/Kconfig
> index 111db4e44fcf..68adcb0f4de6 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/Kconfig
> +++ b/arch/arm64/Kconfig
> @@ -1250,7 +1250,7 @@ config EFI
>    select LIBFDT
>    select UCS2_STRING
>    select EFI_PARAMS_FROM_FDT
> -    select EFI_RUNTIME_WRAPPERS
> +    select EFI_RUNTIME_WRAPPERS if !PREEMPT_RT_BASE
>    select EFI_STUB
>    select EFI_ARMSTUB
>    default y
> diff --git a/drivers/firmware/efi/arm-runtime.c b/drivers/firmware/efi/arm-runtime.c
> index 5889cbea60b8..3e96db10c034 100644
> --- a/drivers/firmware/efi/arm-runtime.c
> +++ b/drivers/firmware/efi/arm-runtime.c
> @@ -140,8 +140,10 @@ static int __init arm_enable_runtime_services(void)
>    }
> 
>    /* Set up runtime services function pointers */
> +#ifdef CONFIG_EFI_RUNTIME_WRAPPERS
>    efi_native_runtime_setup();
>    set_bit(EFI_RUNTIME_SERVICES, &efi.flags);
> +#endif
> 
>    return 0;
> }
> -- 
> 2.18.0
> 

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