Message-ID: <605cfcb3f315917c5970f452fab988ae1dc946ff.camel@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:06:21 -0700
From:   Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Eero Tamminen <eero.t.tamminen@...el.com>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>,
        Francisco Jerez <currojerez@...eup.net>
Cc:     lenb@...nel.org, rjw@...ysocki.net, peterz@...radead.org,
        ggherdovich@...e.cz, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, juri.lelli@...hat.com,
        viresh.kumar@...aro.org, Chris Wilson <chris@...is-wilson.co.uk>,
        Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@...ux.intel.com>,
        Joonas Lahtinen <joonas.lahtinen@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] cpufreq: intel_pstate: enable boost for Skylake Xeon

On Mon, 2018-07-30 at 14:16 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Hi Mel,
> 
> On 28.07.2018 15:36, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:34:03PM -0700, Francisco Jerez wrote:
> > > Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Enable HWP boost on Skylake server and workstations.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Please revert this series, it led to significant energy usage and
> > > graphics performance regressions [1].  The reasons are roughly
> > > the ones
> > > we discussed by e-mail off-list last April: This causes the
> > > intel_pstate
> > > driver to decrease the EPP to zero when the workload blocks on IO
> > > frequently enough, which for the regressing benchmarks detailed
> > > in [1]
> > > is a symptom of the workload being heavily IO-bound, which means
> > > they
> > > won't benefit at all from the EPP boost since they aren't
> > > significantly
> > > CPU-bound, and they will suffer a decrease in parallelism due to
> > > the
> > > active CPU core using a larger fraction of the TDP in order to
> > > achieve
> > > the same work, causing the GPU to have a lower power budget
> > > available,
> > > leading to a decrease in system performance.
> 
>  >
> > It slices both ways. With the series, there are large boosts to
> > performance on other workloads where a slight increase in power
> > usage is
> > acceptable in exchange for performance. For example,
> > 
> > Single socket skylake running sqlite
> 
> [...]
> > That's over doubling the transactions per second for that workload.
> > 
> > Two-socket skylake running dbench4
> 
> [...]> This is reporting the average latency of operations running 
> dbench. The
> > series over halves the latencies. There are many examples of basic
> > workloads that benefit heavily from the series and while I accept
> > it may
> > not be universal, such as the case where the graphics card needs
> > the power
> > and not the CPU, a straight revert is not the answer. Without the
> > series,
> > HWP cripplies the CPU.
> 
> I assume SQLite IO-bottleneck is for the disk.  Disk doesn't share
> the TDP limit with the CPU, like IGP does.
> 
> Constraints / performance considerations for TDP sharing IO-loads
> differ from ones that don't share TDP with CPU cores.
> 
> 
> Workloads that can be "IO-bound" and which can be on the same chip
> with CPU i.e. share TDP with it are:
> - 3D rendering
> - Camera / video processing
> - Compute
> 
> Intel, AMD and ARM manufacturers all have (non-server) chips where
> these
> IP blocks are on the same die as CPU cores.  If CPU part redundantly
> doubles its power consumption, it's directly eating TDP budget away
> from
> these devices.
> 
> For workloads where IO bottleneck doesn't share TDP budget with CPU,
> like (sqlite) databases, you don't lose performance by running CPU
> constantly at full tilt, you only use more power [1].
> 
> Questions:
> 
> * Does currently kernel CPU freq management have any idea which IO
>    devices share TDP with the CPU cores?
No. The requests we do to hardware is just indication only (HW can
ignore it). The HW has a bias register to adjust and distribute power
among users.
We can have several other active device on servers beside CPU which
when runs need extra power. So the HW arbitrates power.

> 
> * Do you do performance testing also in conditions that hit TDP
> limits?
Yes, several server benchmarks which also measures perf/watt.
For graphics we run KBL-G which hits TDP limits then we have a user
space power manager to distribute power.
Also one Intel 6600 and 7600 runs whole suit of phoronix tests.

Thanks,
Srinivas

> 
> 
> 	- Eero
> 
> [1]  For them power usage is performance problem only if you start
> hitting TDP limit with CPUs alone, or you hit temperature limits.
> 
> For CPUs alone to hit TDP limits, our test-case needs to be
> utilizing 
> multiple cores and device needs to have lowish TDP compared to the
> performance of the chip.
> 
> TDP limiting adds test results variance significantly, but that's
> a property of the chips themselves so it cannot be avoided. :-/
> 
> Temperature limiting might happen on small enclosures like the ones
> used
> for the SKL HQ devices i.e. laptops & NUCs, but not on servers.   In
> our
> testing we try to avoid temperature limitations when its possible (=
> extra cooling) as it increases variance so much that results are
> mostly
> useless (same devices are also TDP limited i.e. already have high
> variance).

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